TG day of remembrance

[WomanAndProud]

When did 20 November become the transgender Day Of Remembrance?

Is there an International Women's Day of Remembrance? We bloody well need to get onto it given the numbers of us who are actually killed every single day. And given that the majority of women who are murdered are killed by men, that's anti-women (adult human female, to be clear - and that's not exclusionary, trans women don't want to be included anyway, they've made their own day they can't now complain about not being in ours).

And I do hope that they'll be remembering the trans people killed by other trans people. Because there are a fair few of them too.

It’s about remembering those who have been murdered simply for being themselves

But the vast majority haven't been murdered for 'simply being themselves' there is another factor involved. They have been murdered/killed AND are transgender.

It is fine to remember people killed or have died, however it is not ok to use the death of someone to falsify claims.

It’s about remembering those who have been murdered simply for being themselves. Some of the comments on this thread are utterly disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves

Again with the ‘you should be ashamed’. No. Those murdering sex workers should be ashamed. Those covering up the suffering of sex workers should be ashamed.

They were not murdered for ‘being themselves’. That’s the point. Falsifying murder stats is wrong and should be called out.

oopster

I’m really tired of you just appearing to tell women here we should be ashamed. You’ve got nothing to contribute other than that.

Some of the comments on this thread are utterly disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves

Blatant shaming of women into silence there. Not subtle at all.

No

November already has a booking for Remembrance Day.

It’s also the opportunity to help promote moreso during this time the British Legion who continue to help & support families not just past but present and future.

November is booked up also it’s month Campaign to highlight for Men’s health, even though I can’t grow moustache I still help support and remember those.

My family relatives who are gay/lesbian say no too.

What a heartless bunch we are!

And yes to poster who mentioned about Jean Hatchet that woman is truely remarkable.

"Those murdering sex workers should be ashamed" - it's nothing to DO with that though, it's a day of remembrance for people being attacked or murdered for being themselves! Completely different nothing to do with scenario. Why would you begrudge transwomen a day of remembrance? How does it affect you in the slightest? Some of these comments ARE vile, it's nothing to do with wanting to "silence women" FGS

The thing is, they're not doing these things out of some love and solidarity and awareness-raising.

The reason they are doing this is to make it seem to people who aren't engaged at all with real statistics that they're being murdered en-masse.

These activists ignore the way that actual transpeople have died; they don't give a shit about their working or living conditions or do anything to improve or help them, they don't look at the actual stories or statistics - they just lie and exaggerate and take sad selfies.

These are men, appropriating what's actually happened to others, for attention. They are absolutely grief vampires.

By all means think I'm heartless for observing that - but once you see through narcissists and realise that some people just lie for attention, you can't un-see it and join in anymore.

"These are men appropriating what's happened to others for attention" - who are men you're meaning here? The trans community/ transwomen wanting to remember women who were attacked/murdered? It doesn't affect women's rights at all to let transpeople have a day of remembrance for those hurt just for being themselves.

Was they remembered on this day

I’m inclined to agree it’s none of my business if transwomen wish to remember murdered transwomen on the other side of the world - provided it’s not used as an argument for allowing transwomen into women’s spaces. It is not women's job to protect transwomen from male violence, any more than it’s our job to protect gay men.

Verbeena
it's nothing to DO with that though, it's a day of remembrance for people being attacked or murdered for being themselves!

NO IT IS NOT. It’s a day of rememberance for murdered transwomen, who were mostly not murdered for ‘being themselves/trans’. That’s the point.

Well, we can't "let them" or "not let them" so it's a moot point isn't it?

People can do whatever they want, but equally we can comment on it.

TRAs appropriation of murders and suicides, and their lies about them and their scale absolutely affects women's rights. It's how they bully others.

Also, if I were an actual transwoman in Brazil in danger, I wouldn't feel terribly comforted by David the white, rich, privileged kid with blue hair in Brighton saying that my life was the reason men needed to be let into women's spaces.

In the main, it’s sex workers being murdered. That is the reason they were murdered. To frame it as being about their trans status is wrong, and it doesn’t help prevent further deaths. Or do you not think that should be the focus? The ‘why’ is important so that it doesn’t keep happening. The treatment of sex workers is something that matters to me, as I had a sister and several gay friends in the sex industry. It has ruined their lives.

TRAs appropriation of murders and suicides, and their lies about them and their scale absolutely affects women's rights. It's how they bully others

^ absolutely

Low low blow bringing 9/11 into the debate. This had an impact world wide that I can’t put into words! Cos I so pissed off now.

I’m logging out before I flounce again.

A day of remembrance for murdered transwomen. Yes. That's also known as being themselves. Why shouldn't they have a day to remember any transwomen killed?

That linked post "was they remembered this day" - that looks like a day to remember against homophobia, transphobia all as one big blanket day. This one more like one just for them. Which there's nothing wrong with them having, to want to remember themselves.
If there was a remembrance Day for just homophobic attacks, would there be such an "how dare they want that" response? Or is that saved just for transpeople?

Depends. If gay people launched a day of remembrance where there were very few victims, and those who had died were victims of other awful circumstances, and they used that as emotional leverage to override straight peoples rights and bully everyone, you bet that people would be commenting.

As it is, there's no comparison, is there? Another pointless argument.

The reason they are doing this is to make it seem to people who aren't engaged at all with real statistics that they're being murdered en-masse.

These activists ignore the way that actual transpeople have died; they don't give a shit about their working or living conditions or do anything to improve or help them, they don't look at the actual stories or statistics - they just lie and exaggerate and take sad selfies.

This is quite true actually. The only time you hear about the plight of transgender sex workers in Brazil and other South American countries is when TRAs are bringing up the 'average life expectancy is 35 thing'. They never actually seem to be campaigning to make things better for these people (in fact aren't you a SWERF if you suggest that there might be a better way than selling your body for money?) , just using them for their own agenda. That is how it comes across anyway.

Outside of sex work, the biggest common factor among the deaths of transwomen (note - the number of transmen killed appears to be much, much lower) is that the perpetrator is known to the victim and is often in a relationship with them. It's unclear what their transgender status has to do with the motivation in these (tragic) scenarios

I noted one person saying there hadn't been any transgender women killed in the UK this year - can I remind everyone of the death of Naome Hersi a transgender women drugged, raped and murdered in London.
I think this thread is a very bad reflection on MN.
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/09/26/transgender-woman-naomi-hersi-death/

Why is it a pointless argument? As you don't like the question? It was a perfectly valid one. "If gay people launched a day of remembrance for very few victims..." - how many would be acceptable to you before you thought they'd be ok to maybe celebrate it? Where would your line be? 100 people, nah, not enough people hurt yet, don't be wanting a remembrance Day? I'm of the opinion even a relatively low number is too many murders.

VerbeenaBeeks

Why do you keep just repeating yourself and not responding to the points being made? They were NOT killed for being transgender.

VickyJGo - there you go then, thanks for that link. So it isn't something that never happens as someone stated so matter of factly upthread. It clearly does.

I'm of the opinion even a relatively low number is too many murders

Of course it is.

Why are you asking weird unrelated questions that aren’t based in reality? No other group has done this. The reason for the murders is being left out of the day of rememberance. That’s wrong.