Karen White case on Jeremy Vine at 1pm today

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I can't listen as I'll be working but heads up if anyone else can.

Richard Garside will be on.

what a surprise indeed, Destinys, and of course if that woman hadn't happened to call in to the programme, it wouldn't have been mentioned otherwise.

Jeremy does sound like he's having repeated WTF moments.

Vine is wrong. According to Bishop (who met White pre-criminal acts, and is well informed on how trans offenders are supported and housed in prisons), Karen White has been transing since before she committed her crimes and is a bad egg as a man AND as a woman. Switching gender presentation has had no impact on White's actual character.

And now we have a genuine transsexual who is saying that unless they’ve gone through a physical transition, they should go to a man’s prison!

Actually some of this is rather good. Knowledgeable callers who don't buy the woke bullshit.

The transwoman who has called in is talking a lot of sense, well done to them.

Paula is amazing “that doesn’t make them a woman if you’ve got a male body”

Yes good for you Paula

Jeremy can barely speak now! 😀

I want to find that trans lady who was just on and give her the BIGGEST hug! She was amazing!

Jeremy said “my understanding as a broadcaster is that if someone self ID’s as a woman I have to call them she”.

I am loving Paula, a transsexual, who is speaking a huge amount of sense.

If a transgender person hasn’t physically changed, then there are bigger issues going on! Fabulous.

Vine tying himself up in knots at the "she exposed himself to a child". Just listen to yourself. Talking about a rapist and paedophile and more worried about misgendering than the harm being done to a child fgs!

Jeremy also said that if someone identifies as the opposite gender the BBC policy is clear that they have to call them that. Well that’s good to know!

Jeremy:
"She exposed himself"
Ridiculous.

Kitty agree, I was so pleased to hear that too. JV then read a comment from another caller (trans) who said how much this story had horrified their community.
I'm having moments of optimism this week as we get closer to the 19th, it feels like more and more people are having WTF? moments.

Kudos too to the other caller who spelled out what it was like for Women serving their sentences alongside KW.

Do I need to ask HQ to remove my post referring to Paula as a trans woman? Should it have read transexual? I didn't hear how she was described either by herself or by Vine and don't want to get it wrong.

I found the recounting of the showering in the woman's prison by the relative of a prisoner really upsetting. The horror that these women literally have no choice, they cannot decide to use another toilet or change leisure centre. Its literally a nightmare for them. How anyone can argue male bodied people should have access to female spaces after hearing that baffles me.

This would be an ideal moment for Jezza to mention the consultation

Paula was brilliant. Jeremy tying himself up in woke knots and she cuts through the bullshit with "That doesn't make them a woman".

Paula from Wellingborough was great. I've just punched the air at 'well that doesn't make them a woman'.

'Just listen to yourself. Talking about a rapist and paedophile and more worried about misgendering than the harm being done to a child fgs!'

Yes, exactly. Great to know the BBC's priorities 'She exposed himself' - for the love of actual sanity!

Destinys I noticed that as well - I think Jeremy's fear of his job is a big driver behind the pronoun nonsense.

Just got in after listening to this in the car on my way home from Wellingborough, thought I should turn round and wander the streets shouting Paula! Til I could shake her hand