Accepting the term 'cis'?

[MyBeloved]

During a debate with a teenage male family member, I was told I had to accept I was a ciswoman, not a woman...whether I liked it or not! I was also told as a ciswoman I had priviages trans mtf could only dream of.

I feel angry. Should I accept this? Or shall I continue standing up for my adult human female rights?!

What do you think?

The term 'cis woman' is only used when discussing the difference between them and trans women. It won't make any difference to your life. In every other area of life, you will still be referred to as a woman. There are worse things happening in the world than you being referred to as a cis woman, which is literally so inoffensive it's laughable you have had to write a post about it.

It depends who you ask. I'm cis and not offended by the term. For me it simply means 'not-trans'

If you are mightily offended you have every right to insist on a different term, but try and do so politely, as he probably won't change his mind.

It's authoritarian bullshit.

You do not have to accept anything that you think is detrimental to you and society as a whole in democracy.

@RedToothBrush being referred to as 'cis' is in no way detrimental to society

Someone has been rifling through the sock drawer .

Put them away.

You should have just replied and you should just accept your a cunt. How do you like them apples sunshine?!?!

I despise the term ciswoman. It makes me irrationally angry as you can probably tell. 🤷

I was born female, I was a girl I am now a woman. I wasn't a cisfemale baby, I wasn't a cisgirl therefore I am never going to be a ciswoman.

Don't forget to pair them up nicely

This is where the whole trans argument falls down. It relies on people accepting cis. If people can define their own gender then they can also define NOT having a gender. I don't have a gender so by their own definition of cis, I can not be cis. It's like asking someone what their religion is and refusing to accept "I'm an atheist" as the answer.

Nope you don't have to accept it. None of us do and none of us should. We don't need a label meaning 'not trans' we haven't changed our original state we are women.

I would have laughed in their face.

What about the (male) trans privilege of being brought up in a physically stronger body and having the relative freedom that girls don't have?
Not having periods and cat calls from early teens?
Not being physically scared of sexual assault at times?
Not being verbally accosted in the street with classy 'chat up lines' then threatened if you ignorw/tell them to piss off.

Tell your teen to get their head out of their backside and show some respect to the person who gave birth to them.

And tell him to stick his 'cis' where the sun doesn't shine. Call him a cis male.

Oh the irony of a man telling a woman...

Cis literally just means 'not trans', because whether you like it or not, trans women ARE women. So when talking about cis women's issues and trans' women's issues there has to be some kind of defining term.

I think I would find it hard not to roll my eyes in his direction, while asking him why he thought he had the right to apply labels to other people, and ask if he'd like to be labelled as something he disagreed with and for others to insist on the label.

I'd probably also point out that he was therefore a cismale ordering a cisfemale about, therefore exhibiting male privilege and to stop it at once because he's seriously un-woke if he doesn't.

No, do not accept this.

It supports the idea that there is a privileged and powerful group, who have all the advantages of womanhood but none of the downsides (ie women sound like women whereas transwomen have to have surgery on their voiceboxes).

Marginalised from this elite body of cis-terhood is a little subset of brave and stunning women. Cis-women are oppressors and keep them marginalised.

I saw a placard carried by a Trans Activist (in South Africa, I think) saying "Smash the CIS-stem". Says it all really.

You could just ask him on what basis he is daring to assume your gender identity? How does he think he can discern your identity better than you?

Or, you could talk some old school feminism and describe how gender is an imposed hierarchy not a free choice, and discuss how it's used to control women the world over.

Ah, a male telling a female she has to accept a label she rejects. That's not at all authoritarian.

Cis is absolutely offensive. Many women hate it. Stand your ground.

@RedToothBrush being referred to as 'cis' is in no way detrimental to society

Thats a matter of opinion.

I happen to think it is damaging to society

@Ellen7262 women and trans women would do, no need for imposing your descriptors on people who don't identify with them.

We have a defining term, it's woman - adult human female. The distinction between woman and transwoman is fairly obvious to anyone. Female people do not need a qualifier.

Doesn;t make any sense.
The whole point of ID politics is you choose your own identity, it iis entirely up to you, and no-one should challenge it in any way.

Until women say "I'm not cis" and get told "Yes you fucking well are!!!!" well where's the immutable right of everyone to identify how they choose then, eh?

@RedToothBrush in what sense is it damaging to society?

Cis literally just means 'not trans', because whether you like it or not, trans women ARE women

No they are not

I’m a woman because my DNA says so. I don’t need a new prefix thanks. I’m just woman.

Cis literally just means 'not trans'

No, that's wrong.

Accepting cis as a label means accepting you are comfortable with your gender. Gender is a social construct which grossly harms women. I am not comfortable with the stereotypes surrounding feminity being applied to me. I won't be reduced to 'cis'. I am me, an individual. An adult human female with my own complex personality.

This is a teenage boy telling a grown woman to know her place

That's damaging as fuck.

The first commandment of the church of queer is that though shalt accept any self-ID. So, if you do not ID as cis, because you, say, reject the concept of gender, it is literal violence and erasure if someone slaps a label on you that you reject (like cis).