Accepting the term 'cis'?

[MyBeloved]

During a debate with a teenage male family member, I was told I had to accept I was a ciswoman, not a woman...whether I liked it or not! I was also told as a ciswoman I had priviages trans mtf could only dream of.

I feel angry. Should I accept this? Or shall I continue standing up for my adult human female rights?!

How about women's issues and trans women's issues? Bit of a radical concept I know. can't believe I have to explain this to adults

I don't accept it but Im a cross dresser so I'm included under the trans umbrella as per stonewall guidance.

You should have told him not to misgender you.
Say it seriosuly.
If that;s the rules that's the rules.
If you dont' identify as cis he is committing literal violence by saying that is what you are.

I'm not joking.
Funny isn't it that everyone gets to choose who they are except for middle aged people with cunts. They get TOLD who they are and are not allowed to change.

Other point is that trasn relies on there being lots of "cis" people. They've never actually,as far as I know, checked whether
a. most people actually do have a stringly held internal sense of gender ID (as is always claimed) and
b. that it is usually "cis"

Fact is most teens will identify as genderqueer in some way in about 2 years time. There won't be a cis amongst them.

What then?
As long as middle aged women are TOLD they are cis, it keeps the ball rolling?

@RedToothBrush in what sense is it damaging to society?

Because we are being forced to lie.

MEN can not be FEMALE
FEMALES can not be MEN.

It’s biologically impossible. So why the fuck are we being told to lie?

How does cis mean not trans when a transwoman means not a woman? I can't be a transwoman because I'm already a woman.

Ellen7262 "Cis literally just means 'not trans'"

It absolutely does not! Trans is about not identifying with the gender associated with your sex, so cis would mean identifying with it. Feminine gender stereotypes (since that's all gender is) are about being demure and chaste and dressed in skirts and high heels and being submissive etc. - well, Fuck That Shit, as someone besides myself has undoubtedly said.

If you are not trans, then 'woman' (or 'man') is just fine.

Really? Are there people somewhere drawing out random cards and deciding that this afternoon, we will be revisiting the subject of calling women 'cis', so we can rehearse the goady definitions, grab some screenshots, wind up some newbies and do the whole thing again?

OP, well, clearly you don't have to accept being called anything. You already know this, because you dropped some popular GC phrases in there for emphasis, so you're familiar with the ideas. So, you know, as an adult human female, you can make your own mind up, can't you?

So, i appear to have posted this twice. Will get mnhq to delete the other one.

I have stood my ground. I, like poster above, feel irrationally angry being termed cis. I am a woman. Not a ciswoman. I do not have to accept the terms of his argument...in fact it makes me eben more determined to stand up for my rights to be the sex and gender i actually am.

And no, not a sock...look me up if you like!

@RedToothBrush in what sense is it damaging to society?

Do I have to go into my life history?

It's damaging to women. It tells them they have privilege over anyone trans, when that is often utter bollocks.

It's just a way of telling women to shut up and listen to a man.

It's about creating a hierarchy of privilege based on identity which is a bunch of total arse.

I hope that helps.

Don't stand for it OP, if you don't feel comfortable.

And stop passive aggressive @ing me.

I wouldn't accept it

Cis is just another made up term...in this discussion at least not in a chemistry one

How many fingers am I holding up Winston?

Fuck that shit.

I believe in truth.

because whether you like it or not, trans women ARE women.

No honey.

We don't need cis to define us from trans that's what trans is for

Exactly Infinite.

There are women and transwomen. No need for 'cis'.

i'm prepared to tolerate awoman

so i'm not cis or trans as I identify as awoman (biological female who doesn't' believe in gender)

We don't need cis to define us from trans that's what trans is for

My view entirely. Was shocked at his insistence i HAD to accept it"whether i loked it or not"!

*liked

There are worse things happening in the world than you being referred to as a cis woman, which is literally so inoffensive it's laughable you have had to write a post about it

Speak for yourself

Anyone who cisis me IRL will learn the real meaning of a few things they come out with when they're spouting this crap

MyBeloved, don't be shocked. Misogyny is still terribly popular.

Trans women are women...

... Until they want their own private closed spaces away from anyone who isn't...

... Or they want special status...

... Or they use it for a career as a celeb activist...

... Or any other cynical bull crap.

I'm tired of it.

Note:

Latest moves are to talk about

Women and ciswomen
And also that transwomen are female and have been since (before?) birth.

I don’t identity as cis or trans. I identify as an adult human female.

You should respect this.

Also, how are transwomen more oppressed than me?

Go on, I’m listening.

I dont think i quite realised that it was a teenage family member

Id have been all 'i beg your pardon'

Thing is lots of women aren't cis women.

Loads of women have no "internal strongly held sense of gender ID".
Further, many are GNC (I have seen this fall under the "trans" unbrella)
Lots of women if pressed will say no I do not identify with gender stereotypes (which is all there is left if the concept of internal gender ID is lost on you)

But when women say no I'm not cis they get told yes you are.
Women (cunty) are not allowed a choice in this matter.

That says a lot doesn't it.