Accepting the term 'cis'?

[MyBeloved]

During a debate with a teenage male family member, I was told I had to accept I was a ciswoman, not a woman...whether I liked it or not! I was also told as a ciswoman I had priviages trans mtf could only dream of.

I feel angry. Should I accept this? Or shall I continue standing up for my adult human female rights?!

If trans women are women, then how can women be cis, if we are all the same as they insist. this just unravels their argument.

What are our privileges?

Ellen that is simply not true.

Women have a double XX chromosome men have XY it's not rocket science transwomen can be glorious wonderful people but they can't magically change to a XX . Our language is our reality.

don't accept it but Im a cross dresser so I'm included under the trans umbrella as per stonewall guidance.

I wear trousers sometimes so guess that probs applies to me too. It's a big umbrella! So sorry, not cis here.

Ellen

Define the word woman in a meaningful way (ie non circular and not using the word you’re defining)

If transwomen are women then what are they transing from and to?

Why should anyone be referred to why what they are not?

I think you know exactly what the problem is with the term cis.

A friend of mine had to fill out a questionnaire at work with multiple choice boxes to tick on gender with the option of "cis woman", friend had never heard the term before and was baffled by it ,couldn't say whether she was one or not. Why should women be asked to re classify themselves with this stupid prefix that most of the wider population have never heard of. It's not women who are changing the goal posts, but we are the ones who are being asked to make sweeping changes to accommodate an infinitesimal percentage of the population.

because whether you like it or not, trans women ARE women

In what sense are they women?

A teenage boy said this to you? Are we talking 13 or 18?

Either way he knows nothing of the world yet despite what he thinks and certainly nothing about being a woman.

These males, honestly. I have two teenage sons - neither would dream of coming out with this crap. They have intelligence and critical thinking skills. "Cis" is a load of bollocks. Literally.

is he is a cisman?

is that what he refers to himself as
I'm just curious

Oh this makes me so angry. Not you, OP, but this rubbish from your teen. You don't "have to" accept anything.

I don't accept "cis" because if "trans" = anyone gender nonconforming, then "cis" as its supposed opposite = gender conforming. And that's just factually incorrect. It's a belief, nothing more.

I don't especially conform to female gender stereotypes, and I've never, throughout my life, believed I had to or should. I want free range of choice on how I 'present' and think everyone has that right. Yet I am not trans. I am not non-binary. I am not cis. I am a heterosexual human adult female who doesn't remotely believe in gender ideology, or the bullshit supposedly progressive gender essentialist stereotypes it forces onto people.

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Was there a 'cis man' option? I'm curious as I've never heard that discussed.

I am not a cis woman. And neither is Dawn waves to Dawn

It is made up shite and there is no real meed to define women other than as women. And as I am Northern I am allowed to be aggressive and say ‘so you can fuck right off and shove your made up word where the sun don’t shine’

I identify as a 'not-taking-that-gender-bullshit' woman.

Loving the 'there are worse things in the world' argument. Look away, women, look away, look into my eyes, not my eyes, but look into my eyes. "Please look away from this issue, it's not really that important, compared to other stuff"

Don't be that 'boiling frog'. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

The water is warming up. We have to jump out before we're boiled and didn't realise it.

No you fucking should not accept it.

What are our privileges?

I, too, am interested in knowing what my privileges are, I feel I might have been missing out on something. Is it like having platinum status on an airline? Are there lounges?

No, what am I talking about, of course there aren't lounges for 'cis' women - that would be terribly, terribly transphobic.

Perhaps we just earn double points we can spend on spa days or something.

Of course, I have no right to know, not being a ciswoman myself (gender is an oppressive hierarchy which I vow to fight)

The arrogance of it.

Trans women can demand they are called 'she'. TRAs are demanding access to women's spaces, prisons, shelters, sports etc. etc.

We are expected to accept such ludicrous inanity as "assigned a gender", pregnant "person", "persons with a cervix", told off for daring to discuss the biological details real women have in common - periods, miscarriages, childbirth, menopause, etc.

Then the silly twerps get all arsey when we say we are not "cis".

What a load of prats.

Wish to hell they would grow up and act like adults.

I’ll accept cis when they accept pseudo.

There's nothing remotely irrational in being annoyed at someone attempting to label you 'cis'.

And --

Ah, a male telling a female she has to accept a label she rejects. That's not at all authoritarian.

Indeed.

Why didn't you just tell him you don't believe in gender and ask him to prove that it exists? Also interested about these so called 'privileges'. Last time I checked 'cis' women are disadvantaged by their bodies from birth. It would be nice to be able to procreate without spending a year with a numb brain or you know, risking death. The whole allying into a room and realising that most of the men in it could easily kill/rape you if they were so inclined because you are so much smaller and weaker isn't fun. Or maybe it is the dismissive attitude that health professionals take to sex specific concerns?

If they are an adult I would tell them to go fuck themself.

I just explained my position strongly. He is an intelligent and compassionate young man who yes, is liberal to the extreme. He was annoyed as he had watched a documentary involving a (as he described her) 'radical feminist' explaining to a mtf trans woman that she had grown up with male privilege and would never understand the world as a girl/woman due to this. What is to deny? It is a fact surely?

Periods and miscarriage, abortion have been described as cis privilege (female).

I havent' heard the term cismen used much tbh.

Is he "cis"?