Accepting the term 'cis'?

[MyBeloved]

During a debate with a teenage male family member, I was told I had to accept I was a ciswoman, not a woman...whether I liked it or not! I was also told as a ciswoman I had priviages trans mtf could only dream of.

I feel angry. Should I accept this? Or shall I continue standing up for my adult human female rights?!

You don't actually learn what the privileges are until you accept the name. Once you do everything becomes clear. Just accept the name, it's no big deal. Everything will be fine if you accept your new place in the world. We will all get on so much better with everyone and be nice and happy and butterflies will fill your garden and there will be kittens.

"because whether you like it or not, trans women ARE women."

Completely irrelevant what I like or don't like - it is a fact that a woman is an adult human female. Nobody who was born a male can be a woman.

whether you like it or not, trans women ARE women
Except they are not, and most other people do not they are either. We're all quite happy to play along and treat them as if they were women, but only to a certain degree. I'm not going to call a 6'3" AGP a lesbian because they still fancy women. A trans woman shouldn't be allowed to box against a woman, they would kill her. There are limits. Whether you like it or not.

@Ellen7262 women and trans women would do, no need for imposing your descriptors on people who don't identify with them.

This.

If you need a term to distinguish real women from transwomen then 'women' will do.

We have a term for people who collect stamps: stamp collectors.

We don't have a term for people who don't collect stamps. Stamp collectors may but they can keep that to themselves because nobody is interested.

Ellen
Trans women need the definition woman, as in bio woman, otherwise they don't know what they are transing to
Trans women are only women if you are using gender as a descriptor
I prefer a biological definition. It doesn't rely on subjective feelings or stereotypes and if is provable

Periods and miscarriage, abortion have been described as cis privilege (female).

Not by anyone who's actually had them/been through it, surely!

Just accept the name, it's no big deal. Everything will be fine if you accept your new place in the world. We will all get on so much better with everyone and be nice and happy and butterflies will fill your garden and there will be kittens.

Why do I feel like that would be accompanied by that gentle but firm head stroke you do when trying to put a young child to sleep...

because whether you like it or not, trans women ARE women

No.

You are NOT a sub-category of your own sex!

Absolutely do not let this go. No doubt you would set him right on any other nonsense spoken or disrespectful behaviour from him.

It's funny how it's cis women but never cis men...

It's like being in an episode of Brass Eye.

Your cisness is in your Shatner's Bassoon. Gendered Intelligence said so.

Cis literally just means 'not trans', because whether you like it or not, trans women ARE women

They're not. Whether you like it or not.
And not cis either. I'm just a woman, DNA/biology all in order, as born with, simple stuff.

'cis' doesn't actually apply to a vast majority of the population. Perhaps a tiny minority, less than 2%: a woman who has been so traumatised by full immersion in a sexist upbringing that she has internalised the misogyny of sexist stereotypes and actually believes and applies that to herself.

The vast majority do not feel the need to subscribe to stereotypes and do not subscribe to a culturally imposed prescription for their personality so are not cis.

Anyone who calls me cis can fuck right off. How dare anyone assume my level of acceptance of gender lies.

I'm a cis woman = I am a silly person

Ellen7262 "Cis literally just means 'not trans'"

In chemistry.

In the context of gender it means accepting the ideology behind the word. It means nothing outside that ideology.

Two things here, I want to comment on:

There are worse things happening in the world than you being referred to as a cis woman.

Well, Ellen7262, there are also worse things happening in the world than people with dicks not being allowed to pee in women's toilets. And yet, here we are, a couple of years into a never ending activist transwomen hissy fit, and screams of genocide and literal murder.

...because whether you like it or not, trans women ARE women...

There is one thing that is really uncontroversial: people who can't define the terms they use, like 'women', are in no position to say who or what is or isn't said term, in this case 'a woman. This is really logic 101, folks.

Compliant Individual Signalling = members of an oppressed class who adopt terminology that centres the oppressor class.

With thanks to LaSqrrl!

I thought peoples lived reality and preferred pronouns were sacrosanct? Or are some of us more equal than others.

..being referred to as a cis woman, which is literally so inoffensive it's laughable you have had to write a post about it.

Inoffensive? Laughable? What about pronouns? Would you tell a men who identify as women that they should just get over themselves if someone calls them "he"? Or is that somehow different, Ellen?

I am a bionic woman.

Compliant Individual Signalling = members of an oppressed class who adopt terminology that centres the oppressor class.

Or:
Compliant Individual Signalling = members of an oppressed class who centre the oppressor class.

Lest we forget, Posie Parker was explicitly told by that one 'cis-Feminist' in that meeting (detailed in the other thread) that they are centering people with penises in their 'Feminism'.

Transwomen are supposed to be womenand women cannot be called women but have to be ciswomen? That is stealing the term women imo.