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Green Party statement continuation thread

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Destinysdaughter · 27/08/2018 11:12

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LadybirdsAreBirds · 30/08/2018 15:47

Lord. That person has no shame, no sense, no insight, no empathy.

WomblingWoman · 30/08/2018 16:02

Was anyone expecting empathy and appropriate behaviour?

We've had years of AC and their ilk getting away with behaviour that would quite rightly be condemned coming from anyone not standing on the Teflon coated Trans plinth of political elevation.

Entitled, bullying behaviour is so ingrained I honestly think there's no longer a baseline of appropriate behaviour against which they seem able to measure themselves.

We might not be able to scale their slippery platform (nor would we want to) but we can sure as hell keep chipping away at its foundations.

LadybirdsAreBirds · 30/08/2018 16:09

Yes. I won't give up

SunsetBeetch · 30/08/2018 16:22

Weird post from AC. Kind of disturbing. Kids playingwith condoms with the sligam "If they find it, they'll play with it".

twitter.com/PilgrimTucker/status/1035179890776125444?s=19

LadybirdsAreBirds · 30/08/2018 16:25

Oh God there are so many red flags.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 30/08/2018 16:25

Weird post from AC

Kind of calls their judgement into question if nothing else.

Charliethefeminist · 30/08/2018 16:28

Someone needs help.

WomblingWoman · 30/08/2018 16:29

Is that a recent post? Surely not?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 30/08/2018 16:32

Bloody hell - that's a bit tone deaf of her Shock

WomblingWoman · 30/08/2018 16:39

"there’s no evidence that allowing trans people to self-declare will open doors for predators"

Really? No evidence? You're not looking very hard Caroline...

I think we now can conclude that any independent enquiry by the Greens into this mess will be an utter whitewash.

VickyEadie · 30/08/2018 16:40

There is evidence, though...

FermatsTheorem · 30/08/2018 16:41

It's beyond tone deaf, it's absolutely bloody scandalous.

Could someone who's on twitter do whatever is required to draw her attention to Andrew Gilligan's tweet yesterday, re. DC and Coventry Pride.

The trustees of Coventry pride were informed in November (IIRC) 2016 of the charges against DC, and as a result, required him to stand down from any involvement with their organisation (quite rightly, and hooray to see one organisation prepared to act in a decent and principled way).

AC was at the time (and I believe continues to be) one of the trustees of Coventry Pride.

That, coupled with the fact that AC lived in the same house as DC, and it's pretty much inconceivable that the police won't have interviewed all members of the household in the course of their enquiries, makes it nigh on impossible that AC did not know of the charges DC was facing at the time AC chose to use DC as their election officer (and also at the time when they jointly drafted proposed Green Party policy which had implications for child safeguarding practice - policy which, if memory serves me correctly, was presented at the party conference).

You would have to be a remarkably credulous person indeed to believe AC's claim that AC did not know.

THAT is the issue, Caroline Lucas. Not that AC is trans, but that AC almost certainly knew that DC was facing criminal charges for rape and sexual abuse of a 10 year old, that AC, despite that, used DC as election agent and drafted policy with him, and that AC has almost certainly lied their little socks off to try to cover this up.

Popchyk · 30/08/2018 16:41

That is horrific from Caroline Lucas.

A really cynical attempt at deflection. Man rapes and tortures a 10 year old girl. The real problem? Transphobia.

WomblingWoman · 30/08/2018 16:42

You won't find what you choose not to look for though Vicky...

LadybirdsAreBirds · 30/08/2018 16:42

Now we know

thecatfromjapan · 30/08/2018 16:42

Hello.

My name is Caroline Lucas.

I am here to explain the new definition of 'transphobic'.

For us, in the Green Party ( who are shitting our pants over our cynical desperation to get the youth vote to the extent that we trampled all oversight and safeguarding) a 'transphobe' means:

  • Anyone who demands oversight of procedures and reasonable accountability of organisations and individuals.
  • Anyone who believes individuals and organisations should be held to the same standard of behaviour irrespective of sex, gender and/or sexual orientation.

Example of usage:

A Person: "OMG, a GP candidate employed someone on charges of child rape and torture as their electoral agent!"

Someone using the Green Party/Caroline Lucas definition of transphobia: "What of it? You're a fucking transphobe. Can't hear you. La la la. Shut up. I'm going to block you. Yay!"

Hmmm.

That's useful. Isn't it?

borntobequiet · 30/08/2018 16:43

That's an absolutely disgraceful article.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 30/08/2018 16:44

To be generous to Lucas, she is obviously attempting damage control, trying to save the party that presumably she values.

LadybirdsAreBirds · 30/08/2018 16:45

ItsAll

Well yes obviously that's what she's doing. So now we know what kind of person prioritises that.

Sorry to be snippy

FermatsTheorem · 30/08/2018 16:45

The terrifying thing is the damage control will work - because the average reader of the Guardian (not all Guardian readers are Green voters, but I would wager that pretty much all Green voters are Guardian-and-not-a-lot-else readers) will take that at face value and look no further.

Charliethefeminist · 30/08/2018 16:47

Cripes. On the Challenor stuff, just cripes.

I personally still find it very challenging that there is often so much focus on body parts, when a fundamental tenet of my feminism has been that gender is a construct independent of vagina and ovaries

Also she is bananas

LadybirdsAreBirds · 30/08/2018 16:47

She. Doesn't. Get. It

placemats · 30/08/2018 16:48

Caroline believes:

I understand people’s fears, but they must not be used to justify the demonisation of trans people or the denial of their rights, nor as an opportunity to claim that women’s rights are at risk from trans equality.

This is a prime example of a non sequitur argument because one doesn't logically follow from the other.

It also detracts from the important work of dismantling our patriarchal social structures. Of creating a society in which we are all truly equal, free and empowered to choose how we live our lives – including the right to choose a different gender to the one assigned at birth and to live free from any gender construct imposed by society.

Yet another non sequitur.

Nothing in this piece is logical or coherent.

Charliethefeminist · 30/08/2018 16:48

Imagine that being your first public comment after a Green Party activist tortured and raped a ten-year-old in a Green Party HQ. Just about trans. Oh, the shame and pity of it. The horror.