Green Party statement continuation thread

[Destinysdaughter]

Thread was filling up so I've started this for further discussions

Previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346448-Green-Party-statement

Identity politics is built on far right ideology

Worse.

The Far Right will always be better at it. Because when it comes to identity politics you can't outdo patrotism and racism on broad appeal.

None of this is going to end well unless everyone calms the fuck down and starts discussing things rationally. The extremes of the left and right (which both are operating under identity politics) are just fuelling collective hostility and insanity.

That is a very old post - pre-election even

twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1034776005326581767

Andrew Gilligan tweets on why it is extremely implausible to believe that AC did not know DC was under investigation for rape and child sex offences at the time at which AC appointed DC their election agent.

The Green Party really needs to investigate this properly, and quickly. I applaud Caroline Lucas for saying they will have an independent enquiry, but they need to pull their collective finger out now and get on with it, thoroughly and publicly.

So AC is still the Green Party LGBT etc Spokesperson and even got an apology from them!

There were comments that Aimee Challoner would no longer be the spokesperson. It seemed at the time that AC also had reason to believe this was the case.

There is a contemparaneous comment somewhere on the end of a thread. At the time the LibDem LGBT+ Twitter account made evry supportive comments twards AC.

AC's Green Career

It was frustrating being in a party where members joined to promote a particular hobby horse and showed no interest in environmental matters. But that's democracy for you - any member could propose a policy to a Conference where only the time-rich retired or time-rich-and-subsidised students, could attend all the days.

The interest group that took their trans hobbyhorse to another level were LBGTQWERTY. Mostly Young Greens.

It was very noticeable that Conference after Conference saw at least one self-interested trans policy proposal from AC's mob. Ames is a one-trick pony and (probably, rightly) steered well clear of things involving science and evidence.

It amused me to think that Ames' mob would have to talk to people who were more interested in bins and bus stops than trans oppression, when canvassing in the ward.

Real life can be a come-down, can't it?

Relevent thread:
March 2018 includes a response from Baroness Jenny Jones & later in June page 5 from Caroline Lucas to a Green Party member:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3198432-Update-on-interactions-with-the-Green-Party-on-self-id

My comment at end of thread to the OP:

MsMcWoodle
"My impression, increasingly, is that there are a number of people with considerable political influence who seem more active in advancing trans rights ideology than the wider principles of the political parties that they represent."

cf current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3270936-Liberal-Democrats-why-are-transphobes-protesting-Because-they-are-thick?pg=3

Apologies. Didn’t realise that was an old post. Will check more carefully before I post things in future. Should I report it?

Speaking of the far right, an awful lot of AC's "supporters" are working overtime to talk up accusations of trans = paedophilia, aren't they? But they're "protesting" it, and in doing so spreading the connotation and whipping up anger because the question about AC is what she knew about her father and when. In doing so, they are - perhaps unwittingly - talking up that old libel against gay men and lesbians and their supposed danger to children.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Re: That tweet from April about being spokesperson:

Does anyone remember why there was ever any confusion over the matter?

Because Aimee tweeted from the Green Party LGBQT+ account after the last GP statement.

But posters pointed out she probably created account herself and was only person with access.

I believe.

I admit, I'm now intringued by this.

What happened? Why was there seemingly an attempt to remove Aimee in April?

Its weird.

It could have been a simple miscommunication. But with the knowledge that this case was hanging over Aimee it looks rather suspect.

When did the Greens know?

There was a suggestion she also claimed to be continuing work for GP.

BUT

I haven't seen that, so can't confirm.

May well have been confusion over this old tweet.

I would love to know the answer to this for certain.

That would be unconscionable of the GP.

But I am increasingly wondering this myself.

As posters keep asking, did someone actually suggest DC give a false name for the GP Conference, and if so, who?

I think it has become obvious that regardless of what political platform they stand on the focus for transgender advocates is the ending of safeguarding regulations that protect women and girls from predatory males. The pretense that this is an unavoidable but unintended consequence of "equal rights" is absurd.

When did the Greens know?
When they were notified that their Coventry HQ was a crime scene, as is required by law.

GreenParty will you be launching this independent investigation soon or would you like Mumsnet to do it for you?

Isn't the GP conference coming up soon? Would love to see the agenda for that. Until recently onward a signed up member, should I email my local rep?

I think they will close ranks until the independent investigation has been completed but it's clear from facts and timelines here and on other online forums there is something distinctly fishy going on. It's really disturbing. If we have another election soon I literally won't know who to vote for.

GreenParty will you be launching this independent investigation soon or would you like Mumsnet to do it for you?

Oh that made me laugh!

I suspect the Green Party conference will be attracting more attention than unusual this year.

As far as I am aware there isn't such a post as LBGTQWERTY spokesperson in the Green Party. The full list is here:
www.greenparty.org.uk/people/green-party-spokespeople/

The Party's Executive has a position of Equality and Diversity Coordinator (vacant) position on the Party's Executive. You would think that the post-holder, rather than AC, would have responsibility for LBGT

By the way, AC is on the Executive Committee and holds the position of Publications Coordinator according to the Green party website page: here:

www.greenparty.org.uk/people/executive.html

That could change once the internal election results are in (after 30th August).

As far as I am aware there isn't such a post as LBGTQWERTY spokesperson in the Green Party. The full list is here:

Aimee was on that list.

I think it was the day after the story broke the profile and the role just disappeared from the page.

The Green Party was not aware of any of these allegations until the case concluded and Mr Challenor had been sentenced.

From the first not-statement, repeated in the first statement

From the point of view of the Green Party, this behaviour from AC has to be a huge question for their enquiry.
AC lied by omission, chose not to mention the charges when using DC as election agent, chose not to inform Green Party their Coventry hq was a crime scene, chose not to forewarn GP that the trial would inevitably lead to massive publicity, chose to stand as a candidate for deputy knowing the shit was about to hit the fan.

However immature , inexperienced, and caught up in the family denial dynamic AC was, they had had the experience of a pretty clear reaction by Coventry Pride. So had the heads up that organisations react to charges alone, not just convictions.

But AC showed zero consideration of their position towards the Green Party.
Shat all over them in fact.