Update on interactions with the Green Party on self-id

[MsMcWoodle]

Update on my interactions with the Green Party for anyone who is interested.
Letter to Baroness Jenny Jones – reply from her office saying that she shared my concerns.
Letter to GP head office. I will share it here so that you can fully understand the response – then I’ll have to name change… This is after a bit of back-and-forth where they were trying to palm me off. My letter -

‘This is not a minor policy disagreement. This is fundamental. Please could I have an answer to my questions?

^1. I was abused by my male doctor. He has since been struck off. Are you really saying that I should not have a choice re the biological sex of my health care professional?
2. I was threatened by a group of transsexuals in a women’s toilet. One of them went on to commit murder. I would feel scared to be threatened by anyone, but these men had a huge advantage of me physically. Are you really saying that I should welcome physical males into female-only spaces
3. Why is the Green Party going against the Equality Act 2010 part 7?
4. Why is the Green Party seeking to silence debate on this subject?
5. Why is the Green Party silent on the threats to women who want to discuss this? (Link to terfisaslur website)

I thought that the Green Party was the party of science. Why is it ignoring basic biological fact?
You are not on the side of history. This will come back to bite you.
The Emperor has no clothes.’^

The response I got back was:

^‘As stated in our initial response, the Green Party respects all our members, and works hard to ensure we promote equality and fairness.

Please address your legal or medical questions with the relevant authorities.’^

Yesterday – a new development. A Green Party councillor was canvassing in my street. I got chatting to her and she seemed to understand my concerns. She took my email address and told me that she had linked to the petition on her Facebook page. She invited me on the page for a chat. I spent a good couple of hours there, so I won’t repeat it all but here are some of the gems:
In response to my comment about Mumsnet - 'I'm speechless. Mumsnet (possibly 100% heterosexual women with children) is not the place to educate yourself.

On the request for consultation with women –‘ It reminds me tragically of the kind of stuff right wing evangelicals come out with in the US.’
In response to my question about how self-id will play to religious communities – ‘Who cares?’
Despite many, many attempts to get them to define the word woman, no one responded.
About me personally –‘Appalling way to think. And if you're in the Green party then i'm utterly ashamed!’

There were several attempts to get the GP councillor to remove the petition -she still has not done so and seems to be sympathetic. Last night our area got a boost in signatures. – So some light.

Well done!

Well done for sticking your head up! Sounds like a draining afternoon but worth it in the end

In response to my question about how self-id will play to religious communities – ‘Who cares?’
I get the exact same response from Labour party members.

Shaming you for not following the group think is a coercive tactic. Yuk.

Well done. x

Excellent work there MsMcW

I can not believe you dared to educate yourself amongst women with children - they know nothing

I know - the contempt towards women in general and mumsnet in particular was astounding.

There is always such a long list of people they don't care about, people who have asked that their views are taken into consideration.

Women
Lesbian Women
Disabled people
WoC
People from varying religions
Intersex people

Given some of the twitter goings on this last weekend I think perhaps we can finally add Gay Men to that list too.

Thanks everyone. Feel drained but quite proud of self

MsMcWoodle big big hug and well done you. Great work. I hadn’t even considered the party of science angle but yes - isn’t this ‘lady penis’ ‘pink brain/blue brain’ a bit like climate change denial?

Hilarious that people think Mumsnet feminist chatroom is 100% heterosexual women with kids...

I think I have to be brave and show this to my much-beloved SiL who does a lot of work for the Greens. It will be hard - we get on so well but when I have tentatively raised questions before, she has looked at me like I am secretly racist or something 😢

How can they ignore such specific concerns? You write so well. More power to you.

well done you should be very proud of yourself

Well done MsM. Your letter is fab and and your consciousness-raising really important.

Sounds like a very annoying couple of hours though

Well done.
There has been no campaigning round here.
But I'm ready for them

Well done, OP.

On this bit:

Mumsnet (possibly 100% heterosexual women with children) is not the place to educate yourself.

Isn't it amazing* how trans activists feel so absolutely free to be so homophobic? I thought the Green Party prided themselves on how "diverse" they were, but they can't seem to get their heads around the idea that plenty of lesbians and bi women have children, and that many women of all sexualities have no children at all.

• it's not amazing at all.

Oh god - it's still going on. Now another councilor has piled in, saying 'we are all so much more than our bits' and 'I'm not really into a discussion where people spout transphobic myths'

I didn't spout any myths btw.

I'm not straight but it makes me livid that they're equating being a heterosexual mother with ignorance. How incredibly misogynistic.

They are slaying mythical witches/TERFs.

That seems to be a very common view. We all just natter about babies and jam.

It's slowly dawning on a lot of men that Mumsnet in particular is politically motivated and organising fast.

Fruufruu - thank you so much! I've just used what you said . They were trying to imply that this is all against lesbians.

Oh, these heterosexual mothers! We're just baby-brained, aren't we? Hormones. Overload our limited grey matter so that it overheats.

I contacted the GP (I am - well was - a member) about one of their candidates using the term TERF. After a mealy mouthed we respect everyone response, I eventually got a reply from their Governance administrator who said the candidate had been spoken to re respect to all parties in a debate (which implies they agree the term is offensive). I asked further questions and now am getting a “we are looking into the background if the term as it is disputed that it is offensive” response and a basic fuck off with your membership and vote message.

Ha! I wonder if there is anyone who is called a terf who doesn't find it offensive. I suspect that the ones who didn't mind the term are the ones using it against others.

I posted this on the Labour thread.

It keeps going back to a loss of centre. If only the Lib Dems would do what they say they are on the tin or Labour moved over to the centre.

I am part way through a book Witchcraft by Malcolm Gaskill, he covers witch trails, religion and politics. We have not only lost the centre ground in politics, we have lost Christianity it's being replaced by other faiths like transology. We have men not trusting women old as time and a new type of "woman" on the scene, so the first double witch hunt in history.