Dr Julia Long has just been brilliant on LBC

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www.lbc.co.uk/london/radio/player/

You should be able to listen again here. 9am. There's a discussion going on now.

Talking about the penis stickers, and single sex spaces.

The trans-activist they on says that we should make space for all kinds of women: including "angry" women.

Yes, now there are women, angry women and trans women.

How would we request a BBC question time special on this issue, with one of the above also on the panel? As Paris less got a biased special Julia Long should also?

Julia long 🍹🍸

Was brilliant

Julia Hartley Brewer interviewing Lily Madigan:

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3187420-Talk-radio-Julia-Hartley-Brewer-Lily-Madigan

WombOfOnesOwn

This issue has really cemented the fact that no political party believes that women are full human beings with as much right to autonomy and self-direction as any man.

Copied from the AIBU thread.

I seems to me the BBC also view us as above and I think we should start a campaign about this issue above.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3340870-To-think-that-this-massive-women-s-rights-issue-is-going-under-the-radar-As-it-s-being-hidden-from-them?msgid=80387719#80387719

current parallel thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3342197-LBC-all-people-want-is-a-good-standard-of-care

Just listened - by god Julia was good! I vote Julia does every media interview on trans stuff for ever more. She would skewer Jane Fae, and I'd pay good money to hear that.

That JHB interview is solid gold - especially LM's 'if you say you're a woman you're a woman but if you say you're black you aren't because ummm complicated biology ummm not a table errrrr ummm gibber'. Summed up by this comment I think:
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be an aubergine.

So would I, SturdyEarmuffs! (great name)

She was excellent. I wonder if all the usual suspects who get trotted out to represent the trans pov are on holiday. Vicky's performance was dire.

I have hopes that now Eddie Mair has gone to LBC maybe they might let him loose on this issue too. I never heard him do anything about it on PM but the BBC's record on this is so poor maybe he wasn't allowed to.

Julia Long was fantastic and it was so good to hear debate like this in mainstream media rather than the usual fawning 'aren't you brave' narrative. It really concerns me that outside the relatively small bubbles of MN, Twitter, radical feminism etc, people don't get the ramifications of self-ID. That's not intended as a criticism by any means, in fact I think many people are simply intending to be inclusive and sensitive. But by making it emotively relevant with that example of male carers for your elderly mother is hopefully going to make people sit up and listen. And protest.

Eddie Mairs did an interview with Amy Desir #ManFriday & Jane Fae May 29th 2018

(The link to the program says not available)

I can't find a thread specifically discussing the interview but its mentioned in context here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3262965-Good-article-today-BBC-on-the-twitter-ban-on-womens-free-speech-on-trans-issues?pg=1

Brava Julia!

There's another category not mentioned by Vicky, WOMEN WHO TALK COMPLETE SENSE!.

I wonder if all the usual suspects who get trotted out to represent the trans pov are on holiday

I suspect they are all laying low due to the recent Bradley fiasco. It's all been very quiet lately. They know the spotlight has shifted.

Vicky sounded drunk. Julia Long was brilliant, as was Nick Ferrari- a total lack of tiptoeing and fawning that usually accompanies these kinds of interviews meant the message was clear and showed the TRA's points up for the drivel they are.

I haven’t RTFT, but just listened back. Who on earth was that Vicky Long person? I don’t think I’ve ever heard such an incomprehensible, ineloquent, ineffectual stumbling idiot in all my life, and I used to frequently listen to the post football phone-ins on local radio. If that’s the best the TRAs can do to convince people on MSM, then bring it on. Julia Long was great, but then I think my 10 Y o DS could have run rings around that individual. I’m guessing they are not related.
As for different types of women, well currently I’m a disabled woman, a lesbian woman, occasionally an angry woman, but right now slightly amused woman.
Incidentally, I asked my DS last night what was his first thought when I said the statement, women do not have penises? Erm... that’s obvious, was his response.

DOdo, I've not heard Vicky Leigh before & suspect you might be right about the usual suspects not wanting to face Julia on a debate. Vicky was pretty poor but mainly because Julia challenged them directly - something I've not heard any other GC person be allowed to do. It really was an extraordinary interview & I want to hear more like that!

Really solid work there Julia, fantastic interview!

Vicky Lee, eh?

This Vicky Lee? www.thewayoutclub.com/vickylee/who-am-i/
(Vicky's own words below, but I've * out a specific word that would potentially get this post removed given current Mumsnet guidelines)

How much of a sexual turn on is tring for you? When I was young I would get an erection and masturbate after dressing. But at the same age I would masturbate at ANY time. My partner prefers to wear nothing when we are intimate and took a long time and counselling to accept my feminised body. Clothes can make me feel sexy but happiness is my only aphrodisiac.

Do you feel you have any choice in your TG thoughts and actions?
Very definitely NOT. All of my life, when I least expect it I find myself seeing a female image or activity that triggers a deep need to share the look or the experience.

Hmm, like the experience of a female changing room?

I'm still chortling at the three categories of women. Maybe instead of ticking male/female on official forms, or male/female/non-binary, they could have three categories: transwoman, angry woman or lesbian woman.

pombear

Urgh. That is not someone who should be sharing intimate same sex spaces with women.

Julia was brilliant.

People like Victoria Derbyshire, Cathy Newman and Philip Schofield, the lefty radio dude James, are so despirate for virtue cookie along with being quite skills limited for their profession, they allow Jenner and the like - to waste time talking about dull irrelevant narcissistic goobledegokk - no real debate can take place.

PS: I'm not sure if I'd recommend spending your lunch perusing that link. Either you'll continue chortling (and raise an eyebrow at all the standard tropes rolled out for what's 'girly' and what's not) or you may fall into 'angry woman' mode. And wonder whether Vicky's partner would have benefited from the transwidow thread twenty years ago?

I'm not angry at Vicky per se - be who you are, live your life well - but don't use it as an excuse to trample over the biological category of women and use us as props to support your 'deep need' to share our experiences and spaces.

'the lefty radio dude James'

Ah yes, the lovely James O'Brien. Fawns all over Paris Lees etc like his life depends on it. He's a real woke bro type. Calls himself a feminist too Excellent at skewering Brexiteers though!

I am far from a fan of Nick Ferrari's, and he really is no feminist ally, but fair is fair, and he did a great job today of challenging the nonsense and refusing to be derailed. I usually really like Cathy Newman, but was SO disappointed at her fawning all over Caitlyn Jenner on that C4 gender debate a few months ago.

Vicki Lee, sorry. New it started with an L.

Pombear. Too late I took a look at the link. This quote from Vicky stood out

'I am an inbetweenie, not man, not woman, not straight, not gay'

So Vicky doesn't consider themself to be a women but still wants access to women's single sex spaces (I know the grammar here is odd but it's the only way I can frame it without being deleted)

"Vicky is a contributor to a number of magazines and has been featured and appeared on many television programs. She is an advisor to ‘Forum Magazine’. She has contributed to a number of authority ‘Diversity Forums’ including the Metropolitan Police and the City Police. Vicky has been honoured and thrilled to judge a number of top class transgender pageants. She has given talks and helped present stage events at ‘Sparkle’ transgender celebration.

One of the 2 'Sparkle Awards for Lifetime Achievement, Outstanding Contribution to the Transgender Community and BEST Transgender NightclubAt a time before the internet, Vicky Lee’s series of ‘Tranny Guide’ books did a tremendous amount to expand awareness of the opportunities and scale of “transgender” activity and helped the transgender scene mature. In 2008 Vicky Lee was presented with TWO ‘Sparkle’ TG awards

first a personal ‘Sparkle’ TG award for ‘Lifetime Achievement’ and ‘Outstanding Contribution to the Transgender community’
second the ‘Sparkle’ TG award for ‘The Best Transgender Night Club’
These awards were voted for on the Sparkle’ web site by thousands from all around the world.

Vicky also runs The WayOut Publishing Company which grew from ‘The Transvestites Guide to London’ in 1992 written together with Caroline Egerton. This first slim volume with no pictures were sold from club to club from their handbags. This first book became to ‘The Transvestites Guide to London’ which in 1995 became the annual international ‘Tranny Guide’. In 2005 Vicky published two books one an encyclopedia of ideas that includes some of Vicky’s biography and second the ultimate guide to the tranny world, her ‘Transgender AtoZ. Currently the publishing company concentrates on the internet and is helping a variety of businesses with web sites and promotion."

I wonder if the pageant mentioned is the one sponsored by Sue Pascoe and the Indian private medical company?
discussed in recent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion