LBC all people want is a good standard of care

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LBC just had a gc female and a TRA on.

The topic moved to personal care and medical exams.

The TRA first said that there are male care assistants, gyno's and medical professionals anyway.

It was then pointed out that women have the right to ask for care from another woman.

The TRA then said that all woman want is a good standard of care.

Is it, is it, really. Thanks for mansplaining that to us Vicky. Problem solved. Women don't want care from other women.

I'm fuming, it's pure ignorance from TRA and shows they have no understanding of what it's like to be a bio woman.

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3342195-Dr-Julia-Long-has-just-been-brilliant-on-LBC

Fuck off Vicky. I’ll decide who comes near my body, not you.

Fuck off Vicky. I’ll decide who comes near my body, not you.

Correct. My elderly mum died last year but was entirely bedbound for the last 9 months of her life, requiring carer visits 4 times a day. They did the most personal of care for her.

Sometimes, one of them was male and she was horrified at the notion that she might have to have a man performing these actions. Each time, the male carer simply backed off when she (because my mum was still in her full wits and a strong woman despite dying slowly from appalling cancer) made her wishes clear, but you can imagine some women not being able to do so.

And yes - I know some doctors and nurses are male; however, there's a difference between trained health professionals and people recruited by private agencies as carers AND I maintain the right of any woman, even in hospital, to demand a female doctor or nurse.

Indeed. DD was under a consultant for bladder related problems. Her consultant was male but when it came to doing an intimate examination he asked her if she was happy with him doing it or if she would prefer a female colleague. She opted for the female doctor. Completely understandable. When I was that age I think I would have been squiffy about a middle aged bloke peering at my nether regions. Of course having had kids all dignity is gone and I don't really care anymore, but I should have the choice. I should always be given the choice. People like Vicky want me to be deprived of that choice because my having a choice could be exclusionary to someone who claims womanhood by virtue of lady brain.

Important case reported December 2017

'NHS trust apologises to woman after ‘nurse with stubble and deep voice’ tried to take smear test'
(extracts)
"The NHS has apologised to a woman who was left “embarrassed and distressed” after a nurse with stubble and a deep voice was going to carry out her cervical smear test at hospital. The woman requested a female NHS nurse to perform the intimate procedure but was dismayed when a staff member with “an obviously male appearance” greeted her. When the patient pointed out the mistake, the nurse replied: “My gender is not male. I’m a transsexual.”

The woman declined to go ahead with the examination – given to women aged 25 to 49 every three years and every five years for women aged 50 to 64 – and complained about her treatment. She stressed her complaint was not about the nurse’s appearance or gender status." (continues)

“[It was] weird where somebody says to you: ‘My gender is not male’ and you think: ‘Well, what does that even mean? You are clearly a man’, the woman told the Sunday Times. “[The nurse] had an obviously male appearance . . . close-cropped hair, a male facial appearance and voice, large number of tattoos and facial stubble.” The patient said it was “bad enough for a fortysomething mother”, but the effect of such an incident on her 17-year-old daughter would have been much worse." (continues)

"However, under plans being considered by ministers, adults will be able to change their birth certificates at will without a doctor’s diagnosis, while non-binary gender people will be able to record their gender as “X”.

James Caspian, a psychotherapist who specialises in working with transgender people, said self-certification would create many similar situations arising in the future.

“Politicians have not thought through all the implications of allowing self-certification,” he said." (continues)

inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-woman-transgender-nurse-smear-test/

My grandfather needed care towards the end of his life. He was in respite care and tended by male carers. When he came out all the community carers were female. He didn't want to be tended by 'strange women' but was too polite to say anything, so used to send them away and then insist my mum did his intimate care instead. My uncle and brother helped out a lot at that time, and my grandfather was very grateful to have other males to help him.

It's about dignity and feeling comfortable when you need caring for, surely? If you're stressed, everything is harder, including any potential for recovery.

Again, it seems to be all about what the trans person wants, rather than the patient.

Dana I discussed the smear test situation above with a friend of mine who is a senior nurse. She was horrified because the nurse had not recognised and prioritised the needs of the patient. She went on to describe how it was fairly common to recognise that some men (particularly older men) were uncomfortable with intimate care being done by female nurses. She said they were very alert to this and if noticed, would discreetly try to ensure that male colleagues took over.

The priority was the comfort & dignity of the patient. They were alert to distress.

She also added that she has a colleague who is a transwoman who is incredibly respectful, empathetic and an excellent nurse. My friend said her colleague would have had the same reaction to the smear test case.

This is an issue of good paractice in nursing and care.

Fuck off Vicky. I’ll decide who comes near my body, not you.

This is me now. Not interested in justifying, explaining, rationalising.

Its pointless anyway, because they all know, they just don't care. They have been told time without number.

Vicky runs a nightclub for fetishists.

I'm not interested in explaining why I don't want fetishistic men in my intimate spaces.

It's the beginning of a journey that ends up with me explaining why I think I deserve an education, and the vote.

No.

This was posted by pombear on the other thread but is relevant here

^This Vicky Lee?www.thewayoutclub.com/vickylee/who-am-i/^
(Vicky's own words below, but I've*out a specific word that would potentially get this post removed given current Mumsnet guidelines)

How much of a sexual turn on is tring for you?When I was young I would get an erection and masturbate after dressing. But at the same age I would masturbate at ANY time. My partner prefers to wear nothing when we are intimate and took a long time and counselling to accept my feminised body. Clothes can make me feel sexy but happiness is my only aphrodisiac.

Do you feel you have any choice in your TG thoughts and actions? Very definitely NOT. All of my life, when I least expect it I find myself seeing a female image or activity that triggers a deep need to share the look or the experience.

Also from Vicky

'I am an inbetweenie, not man, not woman, not straight, not gay'

So Vicky doesn't consider themself to be a women but still wants access to women's single sex spaces.

Datun

I'm not interested in explaining why I don't want fetishistic men in my intimate spaces. It's the beginning of a journey that ends up with me explaining why I think I deserve an education, and the vote.

Fucking YES!

How much of a sexual turn on is tr*ing for you?When I was young I would get an erection and masturbate after dressing. But at the same age I would masturbate at ANY time. My partner prefers to wear nothing when we are intimate and took a long time and counselling to accept my feminised body. Clothes can make me feel sexy but happiness is my only aphrodisiac.

Do you feel you have any choice in your TG thoughts and actions? Very definitely NOT. All of my life, when I least expect it I find myself seeing a female image or activity that triggers a deep need to share the look or the experience.*

Christ alive.

Well, anyone checking out Vicky's nightclub after its LBC plug will hopefully discover what this is all about.

Big own goal, I'd say.

(and apologies if my quote didn't bold properly, only just getting the hang of things here)

What is a "female activity"?????

I am also a bit to say the least that this person just stated unequivocally that all women and girls all over the world have zero interest in ever wanting a female person when they are having an intimite procedure of any type.

Right. Well, if you say so, of course you can speak for the 3 billion women and girls on the planet that is your absolute right.

Oh lol I used to go to the minories sometimes it was a bit crapola, hopefully they've done it up since then!

(misses point)

Apparently Jesse Bradley has said the reason TRAs don't go on air is because feminists then drill down into who they are afterwards.

Vicky, I believe, has written several books about transvestites, from a social networking point of view.

These people must be soft in the head if they truly think women want men who fetishise women observing them getting naked.

Oh Datun, you've knocked it out of the park again.

I'm not interested in explaining why I don't want fetishistic men in my intimate spaces. It's the beginning of a journey that ends up with me explaining why I think I deserve an education, and the vote

Is jesse bradley the one who is thought to have been wanking at busstops,

and wants all trans prisoners released immedately?

Vicky is exactly the reason women don't want trans women giving intimate care or in their spaces.

As shown above she is turned on by "female" things, she doesn't actually identify as a woman but as in between, and she's seems to be highly sexually motivated.

But self id means we're going to open the door to 1000s of Vicky's accessing our spaces and our bodies.

I can't think of a single reason whatsoever that Vicky shouldn't speak for all the 3billion women and girls currently in existence.

Not a single reason.

It seems utterly kosher to me that they appoint themselves as spokesperson and make all decisions globally for all women and girls going forward.

As shown above she is turned on by "female" things, she doesn't actually identify as a woman but as in between, and she's seems to be highly sexually motivated

Quite, yet women are in the wrong for pointing this out and asserting some boundaries around our own bodies and spaces.

It's providing some really useful information to cite when completing the government's consultation though.

Labour Cllr and Nurse reporting women to police for tweeting biological truth.

mobile.twitter.com/labour_paul?lang=en

From above. If you target one of us, you target all of us

Unless of course it is 'in-house' and the 'T' is targeting the 'L'

I'm still fairly aghast that Vicky went on air to pontificate about what women should, and shouldn't, allow people like Vicky to do.

When Vicky has incriminated themself over and over.

I'm never entirely sure whether it's wilful blindness, entitlement, or just lack of intelligence.

Datun

I suspect it's partly to do with the current climate - a feeling of emboldenment due to politics and organisations falling over themselves to validate this agenda, for fear of repeating 'past mistakes' (but not understanding the difference between LGB and T and being informed by some questionable sources that they didn't do due diligence on).

Which leads to either unconscious or wilful blindness within some TRAs, so that they're not able to 'read the room' with people who are outside of the detail of this debate.

I think this 'emboldenment' means many TRAs really can't understand why the majority of people would go 'erm, women don't have penises - well, yep'.

Or they believe that, as long as they say 'transwomen are women' long enough, everyone will kow tow to the statement.

It's enhanced by the fact that many TRAs seem to live within their 'safe spaces', not venturing outside the 'trans-bubble' to understand other's perspectives.

Sort of 'a perfect storm'.

(Not all, but many of us here have had lots of experience with young children - I don't think trans rights activists realise how much we understand 'playing the long game', and how much patience parenthood can give you!)

Datun

I'm not interested in explaining why I don't want fetishistic men in my intimate spaces. It's the beginning of a journey that ends up with me explaining why I think I deserve an education, and the vote.

Yeeeee-hiiiiiii!