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As I was saying about the police.....

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Winniesalot · 07/08/2018 10:14

Wtf is "misgendering"?! Genuinely have no clue what this might be and whatever it is was totally and utterly non-intentional.

To those who doubted - this is 100% genuine.

To those who thought I was being rude that night - I'd like to make the point that nothing I said was directed at the person. I was making genetic statements for the purpose of conversation, not carrying out a personal attack on one person.

If this stays up then I will post a screenshot of the text I received from the PO.

OP posts:
YetAnotherSpartacus · 07/08/2018 15:47

WTF??

It's on the guiding thread - yes, it's for real...

JellySlice · 07/08/2018 15:49

Why are you centring women when you talk about sturdy pyjamas? That's appropriation! You should be ashamed of yourself for such hostility.

Sturdy pyjamas are for transgirls to wear, to prevent them being triggered by morning glories.

SimonBridges · 07/08/2018 15:50

Sturdy pyjamas is it.

I have a lock and chain at the bottom of my winceyette nightie. Done me alright so far.

Ofew · 07/08/2018 15:51

You may also want to ask for exact details of what alleged crime is being investigated, but I suspect it will be under Section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986 as amended by the The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994: '(1) A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, (s)he (a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or.....'.

Sorry the thread has moved on a bit, but I just wanted to say that the s. 4A offence, and the s. 2 offence (harassment) both require "a course of conduct", defined in s. 7 as at least two occasions.

(Helpful info from the CPS here: www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/stalking-and-harassment).

I reiterate what others have said - OP, please get a solicitor, give them a clear account of what happened so they can advise you properly on whether there is any possibility that you committed an offence.

These criminal offences are separate to the civil issue of harassment as contained in the Equality Act. Individuals discussing (even arguing, even being insulting or offensive to person holding one of the protected characteristics) in a private situation are unlikely to be caught by the EA.

LunaTrap · 07/08/2018 15:52

Thanks, just did a quick search. Jesus. Is this the poster with the trans partner who watches what they type? Different name but same deluded nonsense being spouted.

LunaTrap · 07/08/2018 15:57

Also intrigued at the idea that girls aren't at risk being forced to share intimate space with males, but 'rudeness' and hurt feelings in heated conversation constitutes a risk to a transwoman. Can't they just wear sturdy earmuffs if they don't want to hear women's views?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 07/08/2018 15:59

sturdy earmuffs

now there's a name change waiting to happen...

SturdyEarmuffs · 07/08/2018 16:01

I cannot hear insults, therefore I cannot be insulted.

👂

If only we'd thought of that sooner.

Wink
ADarkandStormyKnight · 07/08/2018 16:01

I am interested in human diversity and finding out more about what it means.

I believe when someone is at risk of being hurt or harmed I have the right to ask question and challenge. And I believe that others have the right to present a different point of view.

However, I am not interested in getting into a personal spat with anyone (and when posters start taking stuff from other threads out of context then it is personal).

YetAnotherSpartacus · 07/08/2018 16:02

Apparently, I'm psychic.

Datun · 07/08/2018 16:03

Ereshkigal I'm sorry you feel the need to attack me personally and make assumptions about me.

Ah. Is it the same basis on which you think the person in the OP called the police?

Got it.

I don't know what they teach some kids nowadays, but the snowflakery is nauseating.

SturdyEarmuffs · 07/08/2018 16:07

No you believe in belittling the knowledge, experience & feelings of others who challenge your ideology.

Fear of assault? Pfft, sturdy pyjamas will sort that.

Exchange of opinions you don't like? Call the police & don't forget to repeat those skewed suicide stats to really hammer home your point.

Dark it already been stated elsewhere, you aren't convincing anyone here. You have an agenda, you are hitting those marks like a pro & still you are as transparent as a window.

TransplantsArePlants · 07/08/2018 16:09

I feel there's a username in there somewhere:

WindowsAreTransparent ?

Maybe needs some work

Ucantarguewistupid · 07/08/2018 16:12

Sturdy pyjamas? Are we back in the fucking 80's? I remember a scene in Cagney & Lacey where one of them was arguing with her (or her partners - cant remember which was which) husband that is was impossible for a man to rape a fully clothed women. He got so angrily he showed her it was possible - he didn't rape her but overpowered her both physically and emotionally to prove that actually yes, a man can rape a fully clothed women. Shit, the 80's isn't even that long ago, we really haven't come far and seems like we're just going back.

Btw - that example of a scene from a very popular show reflecting real world problems is evidence also that women still often are our own worst enemy. Shouting I'm a woman and I think you are all meanies to trans people means diddly squat!

Ucantarguewistupid · 07/08/2018 16:15

Hiw can sturdy pyjamas be taken out of context? Either you said they would prevent rape or you didnt. Or you were suggesting that a woman is to blame for her rape if she is wearing 'sexy' clothes so should wear sturdy clothes instead? Either way you said a fucked up thing. Glad you seem embarrassed by it

VickyEadie · 07/08/2018 16:16

Sturdy earmuffs, though...

SturdyEarmuffs · 07/08/2018 16:21

You called?

I'd had replied sooner but my hearing isn't great...👂

SturdyEarmuffs · 07/08/2018 16:22

have not had

Ereshkigal · 07/08/2018 16:28

I believe when someone is at risk of being hurt or harmed I have the right to ask question and challenge.

Women are at risk of being hurt or harmed by losing our single sex spaces. But you seem fairly dismissive of that, plus the psychological damage to women facing this new axis of male oppression.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 07/08/2018 16:43

Women are at risk of being hurt or harmed by losing our single sex spaces.

This was a private house, so the occupant was at liberty to decide who to allow in. I don't believe that there was any concern raised by the OP that she was in danger of being hurt or harmed by this individual, who is a member of her community (lived and worked in the pub etc). Now, according to the OP (I'm not inferring this) the individual has experienced horrible stuff in their place of work and their home, neither of which are women-only spaces. That's not OK in my book.

R0wantrees · 07/08/2018 16:43

With regards discussion of suicide it has long being recognised that there is a complex mix of both risk and protective factors:

Risk / protective factors etc:
www.mentalhealth.org.uk/a-to-z/s/suicide

By Occupation:
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/suicidebyoccupation/england2011to2015

After Leaving Armed Forces:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2650723/

Care Leavers:
www.iriss.org.uk/resources/insights/understanding-suicide-self-harm-children-care-leavers

ADarkandStormyKnight Samaritan's Guidance is established and widely respected. There are genuine & serious concerns that it seems so often disregarded when discussing people who are transgender, especially by those who advocate for the community.

Sensitive and responsible reporting of suicide
When talking about suicide publically or in the media, it is crucial to
do so sensitively and responsibly, to minimise the risk of contagion
(a phenomenon of suicidal behaviours that seems to occur as a result of previous suicides or attempts by others).

Samaritans’ Media Guidelines provide advice for journalists about how to do this. These guidelines are often most related to reporting of occurrences of suicides, however, the principles of these guidelines should be followed for the reporting of suicide statistics and particularly when reporting on increases of suicides in particular groups

www.samaritans.org/sites/default/files/kcfinder/files/Suicide_statistics_report_2017_Final.pdf

ProperLavs · 07/08/2018 16:45

Men on the whole don't care whether women are being hurt or harmed. If they want something they believe it is their right to have it.

I haven't heard of any ftm transgender people behaving in the same way as mtf transgender people, claiming male spaces, telling men what to say and what it is to be a man.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

EmpressOfSpartacus · 07/08/2018 16:45

How can sturdy pyjamas be taken out of context? Either you said they would prevent rape or you didn't.

A Guider said that on camp, she'd had to sleep in a very small room with her colleagues - so right next to each other - & wouldn't be up for doing that with a male.

Dark suggested that she'd be just fine in that situation if she wore sturdy pyjamas.

VickyEadie · 07/08/2018 16:45

ADarkandStormyKnight

You seem to be missing Ereshkigal's point here. I think she's saying that you have been a bit cavalier about women's safety in previous threads (e.g. the guiding thread), but are up in arms about someone's feelings being hurt by a comment.

Ereshkigal · 07/08/2018 16:46

This was a private house, so the occupant was at liberty to decide who to allow in.

I was of course speaking more generally Hmm

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