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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

FWR more unpleasant than ever

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Snappity · 14/07/2018 06:43

The Talk Guidelines have done little to improve things. The majority of threads are about trans matters and very few, if any, positive. Misgendering is increasingly rife. "They" for a trans woman is as bad as "he".

Even the sex of trans women with female birth certificates is not respected.

There is post after post that trans women are not women and that sex is biological and cannot be changed (totally ignoring that many aspects of sex can be changed).

Then increasingly material from elsewhere which is anti-trans is being linked.

While individual comments are fair enough, the sheer volume means that FWR is a thoroughly unpleasant place for the majority of trans people and those of us who have trans family members.

Intersex women are also repeatedly disrespected with frequent posts that women are XX or are those with female reproductive capacity. It is hugely offensive.

I am going to be here less. The harassment - and I think that is what it is - has driven me away. It is a shame because trans and intersex feminists - indeed trans inclusive feminists - should be as welcome here as any other feminists. If MumsNet believes in debate that means ensuring that one side isn't shouted down - and the sheer volume of people saying that trans women are not women and belong in male spaces (because anyone "male" is a risk to women) is shouting down the other side of the debate.

FWR needs to regain a balance.

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LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 12:22

I can understand the temptation. After all,they knew they were probably doomed, so why not release a bit of rage and cause some chaos before you're sentenced to death.

Me too Socio. Trials seemed to go one of two ways - guilty, or very fucking guilty.

Bet there wouldn't have been many men self-identifying as women in the days when they ducked you in the nearest river...

Strange that, innit? Biology

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 12:27

I haven't read the thread,

Great start (not bothering to read). Please enlighten us with a thread of your own.
I would also mention this thread was started by one of the pro-identifarians.

AngryAttackKittens · 16/07/2018 12:31

I think I like the pastafarians better, at least with them you might get dinner!

sociopathsunited · 16/07/2018 12:32

Please read the thread, whoever you are Coco. Very educational. Especially when you get to the sports section. I know the Sports bit is "normally" only read by the men of the house, but you really are missing out if you don't, this time.

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 12:38

Agreed AAK, at least the pastafarians would be a better bunch to hang with. Rather than worrying about virginity declaration and women's existence sports being patronising 'as fuck'.

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 12:39

Coco is busy propagating their wisdom elsewhere I believe, Socio

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 12:41

And when I say 'busy', I mean... word beginning with T that is NOT the banned one.

sociopathsunited · 16/07/2018 12:41

Aw that's a real shame Squirrel They'll miss my entire performance as a Goldfish. Oscar winning, it was.

Maybe today I'll identify as a squirrel. We could sit in trees together and share info on where the best nuts are to be found.

AngryAttackKittens · 16/07/2018 12:43

I'm pretty sure that some of the nuts are right here...in multiple ways, really.

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 12:55

Maybe today I'll identify as a squirrel. We could sit in trees together and share info on where the best nuts are to be found.

Absolutely! You will need to modify a duster for a tail though. I still await my Tail Confirmation Surgery. The cis-squirrels all make fun of me, and flaunt their squirrelly ways.

It's been lonely in the tree by myself.

Oscarino · 16/07/2018 12:56

I can understand the temptation. After all,they knew they were probably doomed, so why not release a bit of rage and cause some chaos before you're sentenced to death. There's a certain recklessness in that that I appreciate. There comes a point when you know you're stuffed, go down in a blaze of fire and brimstone.

This is the only possible explanation for some of the loopier statements made on this very thread

BettyDuMonde · 16/07/2018 12:59

Having just caught up a bit I would now like to lobby for a Mumsnet version of ‘The Chap Olympiad’.

thechap.co.uk/events/

sociopathsunited · 16/07/2018 13:03

I still await my Tail Confirmation Surgery. The cis-squirrels all make fun of me, and flaunt their squirrelly ways.

I haven't got a duster.....I DO have a bright pink feather boa that hubby bought to wear when he dressed as a fairy, though. Would that do?

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 16/07/2018 13:04

Betty, I'm so upset I missed that!

MN version would be great. There's so much potential for embarrassing team events using breast pumps and baby slings...

BettyDuMonde · 16/07/2018 13:12

Ha! ‘Putting on a stretchy wrap with your newborn in one hand while your toddlerbtries to swing off the end’? Could make it outdoors with a rain drenched floor for additional excitement

Who should we shout at instead of foreigners? Grin

m.youtube.com/watch?v=IpOVM-q-mFI

I nominate ‘teenagers’.

BettyDuMonde · 16/07/2018 13:14

Aw sociopathsunited it’s ok, not all cissquirrels have tails you know!

(There is a tail-less squirrel living in our local park at present - true story. It’s a bit of a minor celeb locally, I’m terrified my lurcher will catch it and everyone will hate me forever.)

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 16/07/2018 13:23

Love it!

Shouting at teenagers is definitely an event I could excel at (well, according to my DD). Even speaking in a disappointed tone seems to do it...

socio in awe of your commitment to the Stanislavski method. First goldfish, now this! Species confused, cross dressing (with domestic cleaning agents) squirrels... Streep couldn't have done it better!

sociopathsunited · 16/07/2018 13:26

curtseys

Where's ma Oscar?

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 13:43

I DO have a bright pink feather boa

ONLY IF you identify as transwomantranssquirrel, because how else could we tell you were 'more woman than woman'?

As for me, I am hoping for an upgrade to fox tail soon.

sociopathsunited · 16/07/2018 13:45

Its a species fluid boa. It WAS a male fairy's in a previous incarnation, after all. Squirrel will be a piece of cake.

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 13:47

AAK It did occur to me that it could be the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Identifarians.

Best of both worlds - tasty, with a side serve of imagination.

Now if we throw in a bit of pizza with that...
(or maybe it is pasta that identifies as pizza? Anything is possible!)

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 13:49

I do believe we have accomplished the mission. The OP wondering if "FWR is more unpleasant than ever" - and yet, all this talk of pasta, pizza, squirrel tails, and goldfish!

Job done Women, job done!

TerfsUp · 16/07/2018 13:56

or maybe it is pasta that identifies as pizza?

I am on a low-carb diet so you are being both dietarially exclusive and anti-low cab.

Outrage.

Sobs

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 14:10

Ah yes, but with all that cheese, it is both delicious and INCLUSIONARY

Should1stayorshould1go · 16/07/2018 14:10

I would think we could field a team for some sort of sport where the goalposts were constantly shifted and the rules continuously changed by some capricious and demanding set of rules. Possibly we could just call it 'Being female in 2018'
but thats sure to be exclusory to someone
and I am sure we would not be allowed to kick balls, however much we want to

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