FWR more unpleasant than ever

[Snappity]

The Talk Guidelines have done little to improve things. The majority of threads are about trans matters and very few, if any, positive. Misgendering is increasingly rife. "They" for a trans woman is as bad as "he".

Even the sex of trans women with female birth certificates is not respected.

There is post after post that trans women are not women and that sex is biological and cannot be changed (totally ignoring that many aspects of sex can be changed).

Then increasingly material from elsewhere which is anti-trans is being linked.

While individual comments are fair enough, the sheer volume means that FWR is a thoroughly unpleasant place for the majority of trans people and those of us who have trans family members.

Intersex women are also repeatedly disrespected with frequent posts that women are XX or are those with female reproductive capacity. It is hugely offensive.

I am going to be here less. The harassment - and I think that is what it is - has driven me away. It is a shame because trans and intersex feminists - indeed trans inclusive feminists - should be as welcome here as any other feminists. If MumsNet believes in debate that means ensuring that one side isn't shouted down - and the sheer volume of people saying that trans women are not women and belong in male spaces (because anyone "male" is a risk to women) is shouting down the other side of the debate.

FWR needs to regain a balance.

Hahahaha!

‘Ball kicking’ has sent me over the edge.

Is rice included on the menu? I'm more of a ricetafarian, me. With a side order of felafel balls and a nice Chianti

So instead of running over hurdles, have ducking under a bar so that height is a disadvantage.
Oh. Hell. No.

Walk tall women Rise up! & kick some balls

I would think we could field a team for some sort of sport where the goalposts were constantly shifted and the rules continuously changed by some capricious and demanding set of rules

A loose, shifting constellation of rules?

I meant to edit that post more...

rules continuously changed by some capricious and demanding set of unaccountable and faceless self appointed overlords

but I stand by the ball kicking
perhaps we could do it in really feminine pointy shoes

exactly that EWC!

Feminine pointy shoes... ducking under bars in high heels?

I'm up for some ball-kicking. But today I'm identifying as a squirrel, so if you'd kindly reassign them to make them nuts, I'd be very grateful.

Abuse of words has been the great instrument of sophistry and chicanery, of party, faction, and division of society.
John Adams - 2nd President of the USA

"ducking under bars in high heels?"

Oh good point, I hadn't thought of heels. You know the 5'8 rule? Is that with or without heels? Cause one assumes a proper lady will have heels on...

I don't wear heels so you are all flatshoephobic in your exclusion of non heel wearing women.

Literal fucking violence from you all

nope, if I'm expected to wear heels that'll make me 5'11 or taller. Do I get points deducted for stepping over the bar rather than ducking under it?

I'm not giving up my shortarse advantage by putting heels on.

What have you got against cis women, EWC?

I should clarify: in disadvantaging those of us who do not share your biological elitism of being short.

It's this Tall exclusionary radical feminism? If only there was a pithy acronym...

With that last post Snappity has finally jumped the shark.

Or rather, swam underneath it

Snappity your sheer ignorance concerning sport is highly entertaining.
I haven't laughed so much in years.

Please come back!

Rolling seems dangerously close to commando crawling, which I think would fall into the category of 'sports probably designed to favour men', so I think it's best to retreat back to 'ducking'. Maybe ducking could be alternated with weaving? It might work with the lower centre of gravity.

I think rolling's ok because it's suitably subservient. We can leave the real athletes ie men to run the fastest and lift the heaviest, while we writhe on the floor like the worms we are.

"Tall exclusionary radical feminism" 🤣🤣🤣

I may be 5'10 and sometimes 6'0 in big heels, but I have wheelchair privilege so I'll be fine going under the bar

What have you got against cis women, EWC?

Didn't Snappity declare at some point that all women are under 5ft8? Clearly anyone taller than that is Really A Bloke & should be jumping the bar, not ducking under it.

Unless they identify as being shorter, of course. Although I've tried identifying as 6ft but I still couldn't reach the high shelves in Aldi.

 Didn't Snappity declare at some point that all women are under 5ft8? Clearly anyone taller than that is Really A Bloke & should be jumping the bar, not ducking under it.

That's me done then, 5'10 and that is without heels. I knew my love for science fiction and overall nerdiness meant I was a man...

I have a techy job & a Twitter account (in my obviously female name) that I use specifically for work / industry-related stuff.

Twitter looked at the stuff I was posting about & set my gender as male. Because clearly women wouldn't be bothering their pretty heads about that sort of thing

I've just seen Jurassic world with the juniors. Squirrels seem a bit fluffy now. I may self ID as a velociraptor and just eat anyone who disagrees with me. I'm practicing roaring too...