A woman is an adult female human

[Pratchet]

Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus

@Bespin not likely? Come over to the trans widows support thread.

My STBXH IS a sexually motivated full time crossdresser, who describes himself as trans, because folk then don't understand that for him it's all about a humiliation fetish (because being a woman is to him humiliating 🙁) all stemmed from "sissyfication" and a massive porn obsession.

We exist.

No @Errolthedragon - the other questions made it seem as though they were asking re. one individual. Asking for exact age and medical history etc.

Worrying though isn’t it?

I base my opinion of people on their behavior. You behavior pushes every button installed by my childhood fraught with abuse of every style. I see you.

Bespin Tue 03-Jul-18 23:15:30 I know I was as confused as you thebewilderness in agreeing with you, but you know what things are never that simple are. They and maybe just maybe people are not here with a plan or a goal but they are here cos they like you beleive in something and wish to fight for it just like you do.

Ping @AngryAttackKittens - see my previous post :)

Male or female could mean body size? If it's not prescription. Not that long ago I was just over half my husband's body weight.

True, but what if it’s medication just for men or just for women @Pratchet ? For example oral contraceptive pills.

thebewilderness not that you need it, or asked for it.

But I'm placing a swarm of the Bore's bees around you - have no idea how they source those bees, but just wanted to launch some at you.

(Have a feeling you'll hate this post, but, hey, just giving it a go and spreading some bee-love c/o BoreofWhabylon!)

Well this is the point we are at I only use general reference as it is hard to know everyones exact view and I am. Often painted the same. As all other TRAs by people so it is often easyer to respond simular in return. Though we all know that this is not the care.
We are at this point as society only as 2 genders and it wants to ridgidly stick to them look. At the recent passport ruling. It as decided that you Can be one or the other and I'm not male socially or legally so I can only be female. Socially or Legally in no way do either of these thing change my biology. But these social and legal aspects have been decided by socilty and as I said they can be taken away as they have been in the past

Banning statements of biological fact is Orwellian.

This is utterly bizarre.

We appear to have stepped over the line into totalitarianism in society if stating biological facts is now banned.

This is unethical, immoral, unconscionable. It's not like there isn't enough tendency in the world to claim scientific truth eg climate change is 'fake news' - but that's coming from rather obvious fascists. What on earth is going on when this is being enforced on an apolitical parenting site!

@Bespin
I've been documenting his behaviour on MN for years, started when he tried to bully me into sleeping with folk so that he could dress up and serve us tea.

Literally the most British fetish.

I know so, so many women now who have had their lives, and their identities hijacked by idiot men who feel entitled to, and get off on abusing us.

This is not the pretty guardian story folk think it is. He is sexually motivated, abusive, and his behaviour is being validated and applauded.

birdbandit I'm. Sorry to hear that and I have a issue with people that do that but we are not all the same and the umbrella is a large one is there a debate to be had around who should be in it probably. If you just use trans as a short hand but don't actually want to function in the real. World as the gender you present as then whats the point.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it

I came on here looking for warmth and solidarity from wise strong women on this momentous and frightening day.....

I find @MNHQ accusing this thread of being inflammatory and weaponising... as well as being threatening to normal transpeople..... The intent of this thread was never to be any of these, but to be a gathering of women feeling solidarity at a crucial day.... How can @MNHQ misinterpret this so badly?

And by doing so, create more frustration and fear.....

And misunderstanding - especially given how many transsexuals on here are quite clear that they are men, and understand where women are coming from.....

Bird who are you talking about

birdbandit I very purpusly don't Look at that thread as it is not for me to comment on and would never be helpful too I have only done it tonight because you asked

bird is talking about her soon-to-be ex-husband

I may of course have misunderstood and if so, I will happily stand corrected. If that is the case I do wonder if I may have predicted something for the future? A rather disturbing Orwellian future. Honestly, it feels like nobody read 1984 in this day and age. Especially when you look at Trump and North Korea!

@Bespin

You have hit the nail on the head so to speak, on the problem, and WHY women are fighting this.

You are right, the concept of Trans is not a homogeneous blob, anymore than woman or would man is.

However laws shouldn't be made with massive loopholes which allow abuse, with the imagination that this abuse doesn't exist, and is unlikely to happen.

The GRA is a Swiss cheese act. We are shouting about our experiences of abuse happening now, and we are being called bigots for doing so.

I am 100% supportive of wife's who's husbands try to use trans as a way to justify other things I have been asked over the years to support people who's intention was this and have always refused as if they are not open and honest in there relationship what is the point. Being trans is not ever an excuse to cheat abuse people. That's just someone being a bad person

@Bespin but his identity, and it is trans according to stonewall, is abusive.

We are asking for clarity in the law. Because it isn't doing anyone any favours to have his version of trans, conflicted with your version.

Totally agree with the fact the GRA is a Swiss cheers act the government at the time didn't want to bring it in it was forced by the rulings in the courts over turning the 1970s ruling that were to protect the powerful. It was a mess when it came in for a number of reasons, and tried to address the issues you face in a very crap way with the spousal Vito which made no sense to anyone I hope thst this consultation will give us a clearer and easyer act to follow

And his version of Trans is near perfect to the version described as "gender dysphoria" in the DSM V, extracts below:

Gender Dysphoria (p456)

" Adolescents and adults with late-onset gen­der dysphoria frequently engage in transvestic behavior with sexual excitement . The
majority of these individuals are gynephilic or sexually attracted to other posttransition
natal males with late-onset gender dysphoria. A substantial percentage of adult maleswith late-onset gender dysphoria cohabit with or are married to natal females. After gen­der transition, many self-identify as lesbian ."

"Natal femaleswith the late-onset form do not have co-occurring transvestic behavior with sexual excitement."

P702-704 ‘Transvestic Disorder

Transvestic disorder occurs in heterosexual (or bisexual) adolescent and adult males (rarely in females) for whom cross-dressing behavior generates sexual excitement and causes distress and/or impairment without drawing their primary gender into question. It is occasionally accompanied by gender dysphoria. An individual with transvestic disorder who also has clinically significant gender dysphoria can be given both diagnoses. In many cases of late-onset gender dysphoria in gynephilic natal males, transvestic behavior with sexual excitement is a precursor .’

‘Associated Features Supporting Diagnosis Transvestic disorder in men is often accompanied by autogynephilia (i.e., a male’s paraphilic tendency to be sexually aroused by the thought or image of himself as a woman). Autogynephilic fantasies and behaviors may focus on the idea of exhibiting female physiological functions (e.g., lactation, menstruation), engaging in stereotypically feminine behavior (e.g., knitting), or possessing female anatomy (e.g., breasts).’

‘Specifiers

The presence of fetishism decreases the likelihood of gender dysphoria in men with transvestic disorder. The presence of autogynephilia increases the likelihood of gender dysphoria in men with transvestic disorder .’

birdbandit can I ask. Does your partner want or need to social and legal rights of a woman to function in society do they have a job or other commitments

Worth noting at this point, that after the Scottish consultation, which effects me, I'm living there,

GENDER DYSMORPHIA IS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED VALID GROUNDS FOR DIVORCE.

Caps because I'm shouting.

@Bespin he wants it, because for him he gets off on the empowerment over women, his voice being more valid than mine.

Sexual crime is about power not sex.