Urgent: banning gender identity conversion

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Homosexuality 'conversion cures' must be banned,

They are sneaking in 'gender identity' to the law so that ONLY AFFIRMATION will be sllowed. 'Watch and wait' could be banned as conversion therapy. Kids need our help.

This legislation must be restricted to homosexuality, to allow childrenntime to become happy in their changing bodies. Help.

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Yes ban 'homosexuality cures', ban them to hell and back.

But this legislation should never include gender identity. Never. This is malign.

When they define homosexuality conversion cures half the transgender advocates who are promoting transitioning away the gays and lesbians will lose their financial grants from the government.

Saw this earlier.

No mention of banning 'watch and wait' for kids with gender identity disphorphia? Gender identity was mentioned once in a quote from a Labour mp from what I saw.

Sarah Champion MP is quoted there adding gender identity to sexual orientation. She who helped blow apart on of the paedophile gangs. Such a disappointment she is.

Don't be silly, "watch and wait" is precisely that; watch and wait. It isn't conversion therapy by anyone's definition.

I heard about this a while ago on the radio in fact, and whilst I'm sure they did say the definition was currently vague, they definitely made reference to "a course of treatment or practice specifically designed to change the patient's state of thinking" or some such.

So don't worry, doing not very much will still be doing not very much, just like it always was.

This could be very important. We need to keep a beady eye. Or several. I am identifying as a horseshoe crab today.

Wanting to stop a ban for on conversion therapy extending to gender identity is a new low.

I'm taking a perfectly legal watch and wait approach to you being a horseshoe crab Prawn

This is terrifying for victims of CSA, autistic kids, lesbian and gay young people

This could be very important. We need to keep a beady eye. Or several.

We know that these people like to say "look there's Elvis!" while they sneak in measures to destroy women's rights in the other direction.

There are going to be a few of these, and the consultation into the GRA is likely to be a smokescreen. They'll be sneaking stuff in during the summer break being the sly, untrustworthy undemocratic authoritarians that they are.

Wanting to stop a ban for on conversion therapy extending to gender identity is a new low

For adults, who have mature brains, who have had therapy to be sure that there's no remedy that could make them happy to live with the body they have, I'm sad that they feel they have to undergo surgery (just as I am for anyone who's so distressed by their appearance they feel they need to get bits shaved down, chopped off, repositioned, implanted or expanded).

For children, I just can't support it. I can't support anyone damaging a child's health rather than trying to help them come to love themselves as they are.

It's not a low, it's actually thinking about it, and balancing that if (for example) someone is suicidal, then the last thing to do is to start offering them life-altering medication and surgery. Much better to deal with the mental health issues leading to the suicidal thoughts first, and then see if they still need to change their healthy body.

How much more transphobic is it possible to get than opposing legislation that might outlaw a discredited "treatment" that has been condemned as "unethical" by every reputable professional body in the field? You are defending the indefensible.
And to up the scare factor by falsely claiming that the watch and wait policy will also be banned ... this thread really is the pits.

by every reputable professional body in the field?

Reputable professional bodies in various fields have recommended ethically questionable treatments before, and I'm sure they will again, and I feel they are doing that right now with trans children.

I think it's indefensible to suggest that life-altering medical treatment of children and young people should be the default course myself.

So is this LBGT survey and action plan linked to the consultation or is it separate. Is it likely changes will be implemented outside the act. Am confused - thought the survey was to inform the consultation

This is effectively already nhs policy -affirmation only. No questioning of why someone might feel uncomfortable in their own body / own sex. If someone says they are trans then you have to just go along with it. presumably when they get referred there is a bit more questioning esp for kids

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t's not a low, it's actually thinking about it, and balancing that if (for example) someone is suicidal, then the last thing to do is to start offering them life-altering medication and surgery. Much better to deal with the mental health issues leading to the suicidal thoughts first, and then see if they still need to change their healthy body.
Yet another post demonstrating that someone has been suckered into the anti-trans propaganda, but has not the faintest idea of what actually goes on before anyone is diagnosed, or what happens during the year or more of the "real life test" before anyone is even referred for surgery.

A diagnosis of transsexualism (as it used to be) or gender incongruence (as it is now) cannot be made until other mental health issues have been either eliminated or controlled. And surgery is the last thing that is offered. The whole process typically takes about 4-5 years even for an adult.

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What exactly is the discredited treatment relating to transgender children and young adults? It seems to me there is no clear consensus apart from among those making money.

Christ Damn, yes, that's great, that's as it should be - I'm glad that is the case now - BUT that's not what's being pushed for is it, lets be honest here.

Children are going on puberty blockers. That necessarily has to be done before puberty, ie. not after 4-5 years of therapy, and parents have reported on here that therapy simply isn't being offered to explore these kids issues, it's straight to affirmation, changing presentation and name at school etc. ie. definitely not waiting for other mental health issues to be eliminated or controlled.

I'm not anti-trans, I'm anti harming children.

Conversion therapy for homosexual people is wrong and should be banned.

There is no parallel with gender identity. It should not be swept into the same category.

If a young person experiments with their sexuality, they can do so without making lifelong decisions. Experimenting with gender leads to long term health issues, and removes the option of returning to their natal gender. No child should have their future adulthood taken away from them.

Conversion therapy for homosexual people is wrong and should be banned.

There is no parallel with gender identity. It should not be swept into the same category.

Er, so, conversion therapy for gender identity is not wrong and should not be banned??

If that's your opinion you may as well own it.

How much more transphobic is it possible to get than opposing legislation that might outlaw a discredited "treatment" that has been condemned as "unethical" by every reputable professional body in the field?

What treatment and how has it been defined? What research shows harm? Who to?

I fear some here are missing the point.

Gay conversion should be banned. This can include therapy to try to understand roots of homosexuality (to try to ‘cure’).

An MP, while (correctly) supporting this position, has snuck in ‘gender identity’.

This sanctions the banning of therapy to try to understand gender dysphoria/identity issues.

It is not advocating ‘watch and wait’, it is advocating affirmation.

My questions relate specifically to gender identity.