Reality check

[Pratchet]

It's shit but I think we have to be pragmatic. And disclaimer: the below does not refer to all trans people or all transadvocates.

Imagine how many pairs of TRA eyes are trawling every single post on Mumsnet about trans issues. There are the resources, the legal support and the tech experience there to build a civil case, or find the one post that tips over into breaching IPSO and Ofcom guidelines, that can lead to sanction, compensation or worse for MN.

They don't even need eyes. They can build algorithms that trawl mumsnet for them. They want that log of complaints or posts that will enable legal action, criminal action or any other official sanction. There is no lull or respite from this. Mumsnet is the only mass crossover media which enables conversation on this issue which is not trans-agenda driven. It's the only one left that promotes a feminist view. The drive to stop this conversation will not stop, or rest, ever.

And who will they complain to? They will be complaining to people who have had 'trans awareness training' and bodies which have extremely active awareness networks, looking for offensive material. Going back years, through the media, including the BBC and ITV at the highest levels, police, monitoring organisations, government, the civil service, about how vulnerable trans people are, about how oppressed trans people are. What are Mumsnet's chances of coming out the other side and being able to allow this conversation to go on?

We all know this, but it's actually real. It's not theoretical.

Don't do the TRAs' job for them. Please don't jump. Please don't throw yourselves in front of the train. This is David and Goliath, we are amateurs all, new to the field, up against an army of well-prepared professionals. But we can do this.

Here are some links.

www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/112500/dip-statement.pdf
www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/109711/consultation-diversity-inclusion-plan.pdf
www.allabouttrans.org.uk/about/media-interactions/
www.allabouttrans.org.uk/a-meet-up-with-the-independent-press-standards-organisation/
www.out-law.com/en/articles/2018/february/uk-to-review-laws-on-offensive-online-communications/
www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-announces-new-national-online-hate-crime-hub

AAK i have underappreciated pork!

I'm chopping down a tree. It got too big.

I am leaving any uneaten berries out for the birds though. I can't cope with violent blackbird squabbles in the courtyard all day any more...

Also - bread in the oven. Happy days.

e just doesn't see any point in engaging with certain people and has very politely asked that they respect this

I know other people have mentioned this but someone having a problem with what lang is doing seems a bit, well...weird!!

Its nothing to do with not wanting to debate...its not wanting to deal with [you'll have to use your imagination at this point ...ive no idea how to word the next 10/15 words with out being deleted]

As a fine old Mumsnet tradition "goady fuckers" is still allowed, right?

its not wanting to deal with [you'll have to use your imagination at this point ...ive no idea how to word the next 10/15 words with out being deleted]

I feel your pain Rufus!

Ooh, lucky you, Waddle, jousting is great fun to watch.

I have to admit there are some posters (mostly male, identifying as men) who, when I clock their user name, I just scroll straight past their post (usually a wall of text intent on "educating" the poor feeble minded wims) without even reading. Because I know from previous experience it will be complete tosh, and I'd rather engage with posters who have something interesting (and hopefully succinct) to say.

IF MNHQ is in a banning frame of mind then an instant ban for any man posting goady comments on rape threads would lovely.

Ooh, what are you thinking of making? I always find that pork goes well with setting good boundaries and not wasting time on pointless conversation.

I have sent the DH into town to the butcher's. The negotiated agreement was that I got to drape on the sofa fanning self and he got to get in the hot car and go to the hot town but also to choose what we barbecue. I feel I got the good end of this deal.

I always find that pork goes well with setting good boundaries and not wasting time on pointless conversation.

No piggy accompaniments here AAK, we are pescatarian bbqers (unless joined by guests who prefer meat)

I've always rather regretted the term as it can sound... well a bit !

It also puts me a bit betwixt and between as happened on a previous thread and its Hitler/vegetarian discussion:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3230887-IW-compares-MN-to-the-National-Front-and-Nuremberg-Rally

I may go catch some trout (from a troutfarm nearby so not a great a challenge)

It's better than "I'm a vegetarian who eats fish", which always used to make me make the confused face.

Ha my bil is a vegetarian that eats fish. Not intentionally - but he has been given a "vegetarian" meal that involves fish on a few occasions and is too polite to complain

AngryAttackKittens

I have met "vegetarians who eat some fish and chicken (& turkey at Christmas)"

There's an old Tricky song with the line "it's OK to eat fish because they don't have any feeelings"...

I eat fish because I can kill them (responsibly of course)

I'm vegan, when I'm not eating eggs, milk, cheese, meat and fish

I also don't drink or smoke, apart from when I do

I now have Adam Ant looping!

So do i r0wan

I don't eat meat or fish. Haven't in thirty odd years - I don't even know what they taste like! I'm too fond of animals! 😇 👼

I dont eat meat

Started eating a few types of fish about 5 years ago....keep feeling guilty

Did someone mention Adam Ant?

MY FIRST CRUSH EVER!

Such a handsome man

One of the most beautiful on the planet in my opinion

I miss GNC men.

All my celeb crushes were thus. I think the best time for men’s fashions ‘classic rock’ era.

Swoon.

One of my obscure claims to fame is that Bowie's first wife fancied me. Would have been interested if he was involved but no luck.