I just peak-trans'd again!

[ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen]

Who knew peak-transing could be like multiple orgasms?

Anyway just have to share my story. I was just removed from a feminist Facebook group after someone posted about Trans claiming “they are women” and I replied they weren’t.

Someone then called me a “terf” and “trash” and then > I < got removed despite the fact I didn't use any slurs, call anyone names, just stated that me agreeing that trans-women are women is tantamount to claiming 2+2=5 in Orwell's 1984.

I'd peak-trans'd long ago but this is the icing on my womanly (cause y'know, wimminz love to bake) cake.

Which group was it?

I'd rather not say just because I don't want to accidentally out myself via my Facebook profile but it wasn't a big one - around 600 members. One of them messaged her support actually afterwards.

Erm, that was a bit disingenious of you: don't you know that saying things like that = hatespeech.
/sarcasm

The clock struck thirteen a long time ago.

I just got told on Facebook that transwomen who acknowledge they aren't women aren't actually transwomen. I'm not sure what the person thinks a transwoman is.

I wonder why people who think MN is a cesspit of every phobia imaginable keep on following and posting here...

If you said that in a group I moderated, I’d delete your comment and ban you. Many groups don’t accept transphobia, that happened to be one. Don’t stay where you’re not wanted.

So, alternate facts rule.

Whereas of course if OP were to want hate speech, death, assault and rape threats towards women who want to try and safeguard women's rights and safety she would be better off where she is on places like Twitter where absolutely anything goes unless you dare to suggest that women might have a view on their own rights and safety.

I have to say, @dinosaursandtea and @daimbars, you were very quick off the mark there to get in with a "transphobe!" post. Possibly a new personal best time.

Given there are actual trans people who post on here saying that what OP said is NOT offensive, it looks like we're back to non-trans people being offended on behalf of... again.

I'm sure you will get your thanks on the twelfth of never

Can you just remind us of the new and accepted definition of "woman", @dinosaursandtea and/or @daimbars? The one that has replaced the old one that was based on outdated and totally irrelevant biology?

Don’t stay where you’re not wanted.

Aaaaarrrrrggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

LOL at mumsnet being one of the “few places on the Internet that tolerates transphobia, hate speech blah blah”. (Proper belly laughed at that, so thank you.)

If you actually see any posts that are transphobic, please do report them. MN has moderation and will respond to you.

Also, you know the Internet is a really, really big place don’t you? It’s not just Mumsnet and The British Hedgehog Society. (As much as we would all love that).

Get thee to a Football forum for half an hour, then come on back and tell us all about it.

Presumably it was the rules of the Facebook group? You are entitled to your own unpleasant views but it's a bit rich to expect everyone else to tolerate them.

Yes. @dinosaursandtea and @daimbars, don't stay where you are not wanted. If you are only here to smear the other posters and call them names, then please follow your own advice.

This is the feminist chat group not the harass the feminists chat group.

Don’t stay where you’re not wanted.

If only some of our most persistently offended posters would take their own advice. 🤷‍♂️

A feminist chat group is a place for feminists to chat. Since when has feminism only been about trans bashing and peak transing.

Yes. @dinosaursandtea and @daimbars, don't stay where you are not wanted. If you are only here to smear the other posters and call them names, then please follow your own advice.

This is the feminist chat group not the harass the feminists chat group.

Bye bye @dinosaursandtea and @daimbars, off you go.

Dinosaurs, if saying that TIM are male is transphobic the term has become so meaningless no one's going to give a flying fuck about being accused of transphobia.

Transphobia is when a trans person gets badly treated specifically for being trans. Recognizing biological fact doesn't qualify.

What really gets me about all this isn't that people have different views. It's that one side can't tolerate being disagreed with. It would be extremely foolish of me to have a phobia of trans people, since the only time a trans person has done me any harm was that time my friend Tafkas fed me lots of limoncello when DH was off on his stag night. But if I say "Well, of course Tafkas has still got male physiology in some respects" then I'm going to be called "transphobe!" threatened and silenced.
Look Daimbars, I was really struck by your comment somewhere or other that you "hate injustice." That's great. I do, too. But, honestly, there's a mid-point between "I agree with you completely" and "You are a terrible, horrific person who deserves to be beaten and silenced for thinking what you think!"
That mid-point's a really important element of civilisation, Daim, and we all practise it. Non-Muslims practice it when we don't go round ripping headscarves off Muslim women. People on their way to hear the Manchester Symphony Orchestra practice it when they don't go down to the Arena first to beat up all the pop fans. And, to the best of my knowledge, there has never been a punch-up on Any Questions (although there have been times when it looked like it might go that way)
Climate change is a greater threat to mankind than gender issues, but I have never heard of a climate scientist who shied away from discussing his or her opinions on the matter. I once talked to a climate scientist who had debated the issue with Nigel Lawson three times. Doubtless he would rather Lawson didn't believe what he believes, but his response was not to say "How dare you!" but to explain why Lawson was wrong.
I've had people say "I have no words!" to me in the past, when I've said that I Don't Believe In Gender. I'm inclined to believe them. Maybe that's why they don't want the gender critical to have words, either.

Hello!

New user - my son is currently studying for A level and being on the spectrum, comes home with a lot of questions about things he sees as very black/white yes/no that his peers see quite differently, thus perplexing him greatly.

Recently, there has been a lot of talk about trans related stuff amongst his peers and he's been coming home really confused as to why he keeps getting told off for stating biological facts (by other teens).

I'm a pretty laid back parent, liberal arts background, I read 'Gender Trouble' at university and have a few trans folk in my wider social circle so I thought I could clear it all up for him pretty easily by explaining the difference between biological sex and socially constructed gender and pointing out that it's fine for people to live however they choose without making a big deal out of it etc.

I'm pretty GNC anyway (the last time he brought a girlfriend home to meet me I was smashing up a chest of drawers with a hammer, wearing only granny pants and a bra, which is embarrassing enough by teen boy standards, so my almost completely tattooed body was just a bonus. But I digress) so I was somewhat surprised he was so perplexed, but then it became apparent that the position he was being told off for holding, was the position he had learned from me anyway.

So, off I toddled to ask Uncle Google about it all and that resulted in a few weeks of lurking here and on Reddit. Up until this week I was still pretty live and let live about it all, trying to figure out if there was a middle ground to be found between those who defined their woman-ism by their biology (as I do) and those that defined it via their preferred performed gender (as some of my social circle do). I'm a bit of a political Pollyanna, you see...

Anyway, that's all over. I've been peak transed, right here, on Mumsnet. Specifically on the biology teaching in schools thread, the Connecticut state championship thread and the misgendering thread.

Daimbars, Rosesandflowers and GibbertyFlibbert, I can only assume you are Ali G styled ironic caricatures designed to induce rampant terfism into the hearts of previously nonplussed women like me.

Obviously identity politics is catching because I'm wondering if I should identify as a Terf (and cut myself some "Terfbangs" to indicate it) but I'm not sure if I actually qualify as Rad Fem* enough, so I am going with 'Gender Atheist' for now.

(And if I were, I'd be more PERF than TERF, because it's penii/men's biology in women's spaces I have an objection to, really, I think).

Thanks for the enlightening chats, Mumsnet. I wonder how many lurkers are out there, being similarly peaked, right now?

Had to laugh at the appropriate advert pop up here on the thread. If only others could think male and female were the only two options still!

Why is saying a transwoman isn't a woman hate speech? Surely it's a fact?

You are entitled to your own unpleasant views but it's a bit rich to expect everyone else to tolerate them.

Oh Jesus wept at the irony of this statement.