I just peak-trans'd again!

[ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen]

Who knew peak-transing could be like multiple orgasms?

Anyway just have to share my story. I was just removed from a feminist Facebook group after someone posted about Trans claiming “they are women” and I replied they weren’t.

Someone then called me a “terf” and “trash” and then > I < got removed despite the fact I didn't use any slurs, call anyone names, just stated that me agreeing that trans-women are women is tantamount to claiming 2+2=5 in Orwell's 1984.

I'd peak-trans'd long ago but this is the icing on my womanly (cause y'know, wimminz love to bake) cake.

So flibberty glib what do xx and xy chromosomes represent if no female/male. If a person is trans this means they were born either male or female but choose to live as the gender of the opposite. However there is no male or female brain as far as scientific studies go and each brain is individual the act of being a man or woman comes down to socialisation according to your observed sex. A man can never become a woman he will always be male, even if he can do a feminine gender stereotype better than we can. Imagine if medical research wanted to test the effects of a drug for the benefit of women and a bunch of biological men were the test subjects, do you think it might be credible given the different size, bone structure hormones in a male vs female body.

Daimbars and some men like to perform woman doesnt mean they are a woman

Oh oh thats me, thats me. Tank Girl complete with DM's army surplus shirt, torn fish nets and lots of black eye liner. Snogged everyone I fancied, regardless of sex.
I really felt like gender was being erased and the future looked bright and now 20+ cough years later am wondering what the heck went wrong

Yep. I'm at a loss with how 'none of this stuff matters, just be authentically you' became 'all of this stuff matters, or you can't authentically be you'.

The universe needs to bring back David Bowie ASAP.

Some Autogynephiliacs are cross dressers, it doesn't mean all cross dressers have Autogynephilia

Some criminals are transgender, it doesn't mean all trans people are criminals.

Oh dear goddd. AGP is a specifically male fetish. Women don't have it. Murder is, 90% of the time, committed by men. Sexually violent crime - 98% of it committed by men. However they identify.

No one, literally no one, is saying all transwomen are AGP. But many AGP individuals identify as trans, also cross dressers, transvestites, and people like Philip Bunce who enter the ladies one day and the gents the next. Clearly not gender dysphoric. And obviously not women!

Women have no way of telling whether a man is a rapist, or whether transwoman is getting aroused by presenting as female.

All they know is that sex segregation reduces the risks of encountering either.

Stop pretending these don't exist. Or telling women off for mentioning them, ffs.

As soon as we start saying a trans woman isn't a woman because her body is this or not, who is next? Intersex women? Butch lesbians with loads of tattoos? It is a very slippery slope.

This is so arse about face.

Sex is binary. So it's not a slippery slope it's a you are/you aren't.

Gender? Well who the fuck knows? Slippery slope? Rainbow unicorn continuum of stupidity?

Please stop using lesbians to justify the shitty stuff TRAs are doing IN PARTICULAR TO LESBIANS.

Quite apart from everything else that is wrong in Gibberty Flibbert's post (slippery slope my arse) - men identifying as women do not face 'all the disadvantages' that we as women face in society. Not by a very long chalk.

They may well face a different set of disadvantages and discrimination, but by simply saying they feel like a woman, does not magically give them the same experience in our patriarchal society that we and our daughters have, and I cannot believe that you think it does.

But daim you keep pretending that NO transwomen are autogynaephiliacs.

Gender expression is only one of the many trans types under the umbrella Daim. So clearly I'm not saying all am I? But they all get the same women's rights Daim. You can't pick and choose Daim. Either any man can also be a woman for any reason under the umbrella or non of them can? Which is it Daim?

"So flibberty glib what do xx and xy chromosomes represent if no female/male."

Nothing. Take a look at this page for example secondtype.tripod.com/ais.htm. Are they men or women on that page?

That doesn't say all TW are AGP

"They may well face a different set of disadvantages and discrimination, but by simply saying they feel like a woman, does not magically give them the same experience in our patriarchal society that we and our daughters have, and I cannot believe that you think it does."

So envy is it? They didn't / don't have it has hard as you (you think) so you will deny them womanhood?

Nothing. Take a look at this page for example secondtype.tripod.com/ais.htm. Are they men or women on that page?

Um, that's a syndrome not a gender. It's a decision to be made by qualified professionals in consultation with the affected adult.

Stop trying to get us to be as judgey as you are.

But no-one said there weren't disorders.

I saw a man with one leg yesterday. Does that mean humans aren't bipedal?

Oh I see.

We're just throwing shit at a wall and hoping something sticks?

Hands up everyone here who is envious of TIMs.

I can't see how you can take what Picasso said to mean she thinks all transwomen are AGP daimbars. It's just saying that we're now labelling fetishes as gender presentation. It doesn't mean that people without fetishes can't also have their own non-AGP gender presentation.

Incidentally, can I ask anyone who believes that Transwomen are Women a question about language? How would you refer to the group of people in Saudi Arabia, comprise approximately 50% of the population, who have just been granted permission to drive?

Or the group of people in UK history who were not allowed to own their own property once married prior to 1870?

If you had to write about these groups how would you refer to them?

saw a man with one leg yesterday. Does that mean humans aren't bipedal?

And will people start campaigning to for shops to sell single shoes to everyone, to prevent the one legged chap being triggered?

Gibberty, we are not denying your partner womanhood. The sperm that fertilised the egg at conception did that.

"Oh dear goddd. AGP is a specifically male fetish."

I am struggling with this AGP you mention. What is it? Can you please tell me where I can find it in DSM 5 so that I can check your claim that it is a male fetish? www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/DSM That's the link to the DSM to save you time.

But please all say, are all those people on that page, those the author believes are XY, men or women?

No organisation is suggesting men with AGP are under the trans umbrella. You keep falsely stating that Stonewall supports people with AGP but it doesn't. No matter how many times you lie about it, Stonewall does not support people with AGP.

Stonewall supports all males who says they are women does it not daim?

GibbertyFlibbert - does the DSM detail fetishes??? I didn't think that's what the DMS was for?!

No organisation is suggesting men with AGP are under the trans umbrella. You keep falsely stating that Stonewall supports people with AGP but it doesn't. No matter how many times you lie about it, Stonewall does not support people with AGP.

I just looked this up, inspired by your post. Here is the Stonewall definition of 'Trans'

"No organisation is suggesting men with AGP are under the trans umbrella. You keep falsely stating that Stonewall supports people with AGP but it doesn't. No matter how many times you lie about it, Stonewall does not support people with AGP.'

Stonewall's website strapline is currently 'Acceptance without Exception'

(source: www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/glossary-terms)

But please all say, are all those people on that page, those the author believes are XY, men or women?

They are people with AIS aren't they? Like the man with one leg they are anomalous. That’s fine. We don't have to redefine the whole human race as amphibians because my ex boyfriend had webbed toes.

You can do this as much as you like but really we can all sex human beings. Cats are tricky buggers mind...