I just peak-trans'd again!

[ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen]

Who knew peak-transing could be like multiple orgasms?

Anyway just have to share my story. I was just removed from a feminist Facebook group after someone posted about Trans claiming “they are women” and I replied they weren’t.

Someone then called me a “terf” and “trash” and then > I < got removed despite the fact I didn't use any slurs, call anyone names, just stated that me agreeing that trans-women are women is tantamount to claiming 2+2=5 in Orwell's 1984.

I'd peak-trans'd long ago but this is the icing on my womanly (cause y'know, wimminz love to bake) cake.

Peak Trans = The realisation that there is no way to reconcile the differences between those that define woman/man via biology and those that define it via performativity of social constructs.

Nice to meet you, Betty. FWR is a lovely place to hang out. One reason regulars continue to debate even the most tiresome proponents of trans ideology is lurkers. There are loads of women posting here who were turned on to the TRA agenda as lurkers and then, like you, came out as gender critical.

Daimbars, lots of liberals automatically nod along with trans ideology because they see it as related to gay rights.

Peak trans is the moment when an event or new information - the Cotton Ceiling, TIM in women's sports, fex - produces such cognitive dissonance that the individual is brought up short and reassesses everything the trans lobby is pushing. From there to full on gender critical is a few steps.

Thanks for the welcome!

(Sorry for hijacking your thread OP, the one I intended to post on is now closed)

I feel so sad for the current teenage generation. When I was my son's age (early 90s) dozens of my male friends wore dresses and eyeliner (Kurt Cobain/Robert Smith inspired) and almost all of my female friends experimented with headshaving and army boot wearing (Tank Girl style) and everyone snogged everyone and no one gave a hoot about labels for sexuality etc.
Some of us grew up to be more heteronormative than others but the freedom to try stuff out without finger pointing or policing of each other's language or sexual preferences or presented image was wonderful.

Dinosaurs I see you regularly on these kinds of threads stating the 'transwomen are women' mantra and accusing those who reject this of hate speech. But there are a great many transwomen who acknowledge they aren't actually women- they believe that this denies their reality and life experiences. What right to you have to repeatedly misgender them?

This will all pass.

I’ve bought a phrenology head for my desk recently to remind me that pseudo science has a short lifespan, historically speaking.

It's really very simple. Do we want a society in which some women are denied rights because their body doesn't conform to what other people think women should look like or do we accept that women get a choice?

As soon as we start saying a trans woman isn't a woman because her body is this or not, who is next? Intersex women? Butch lesbians with loads of tattoos? It is a very slippery slope. For me it is easy: anyone willing to face society as a woman - with all the disadvantages that entails - by changing their driving licence, passport and bank account to female is a woman. If she wants surgery, great. If she doesn't, also great. But I won't be party to saying a woman is not a woman because she chooses not to have surgery to conform.

Oooh now i like 'gender atheist'

And someone who does household chores in their pants

I like the cut if your jib berry

Oh wait

That sounds rude

Its a naval term people...not a chat up line

As soon as we start saying a trans woman isn't a woman because her body is this or not, who is next? Intersex women? Butch lesbians with loads of tattoos?

Lesbians ARE women. What’s being butch got to do with it? It’s about biology rather than gendered presentation.

Using lesbians and butch or tattooed women as a yardstick for accepting biological men as women too is really fucking rude.

Rufus if you had been hanging out with a gang of people for years and they suddenly started saying racist and homophobic things would you go 'hang on, what you're saying isn't right. I don't agree with you' or would you just stop taking to them and watch as they tried to persuade more and more people to be racist and homophobic?

Gibb, trying to say intersex women or lesbians are the same as men is idiotic. There's no "slippery slope" argument. We're talking about two sexes.

Men aren't women. That's because they're men. If I or any other person was dug up centuries from now one thing anthropologists would be able to state with certainty would be our sex. Not our gender.

As soon as we start saying a trans woman isn't a woman because her body is this or not, who is next? Intersex women? Butch lesbians with loads of tattoos?

Yes, this is a nonsense. I'm covered in tattoos but I gave birth to two biological children (and have the c section scars through the tattoos to prove it).

I am a woman due to my chromosomes and primary and secondary sex characteristics. My tattoos were a choice I made at adulthood, they don't affect or illustrate my biology.

Most of the worlds population must be transphobic as generally people dont really believe men can change sex. Transwomen are men who wish to be treated or percieved as women. Doesnt mean they are. Some transwomen even have gender dysphoria yet still know they are male. It might be unpleasant/mean to say to a transwomans face you are male. But having a broader discussion about biological facts and the actual meaning of words is not transphobic

Reality is transphobic now

It's really very simple. We want a society where women are recognised as women and have the rights that they have fought hard for. Including the right to privacy and respect, the right to fairness in sport, and the right to defend their rights.

Nothing to do with having surgery or changing driving licences

@BettyDuMonde totally agree with you on this:

"I feel so sad for the current teenage generation. When I was my son's age (early 90s) dozens of my male friends wore dresses and eyeliner (Kurt Cobain/Robert Smith inspired) and almost all of my female friends experimented with headshaving and army boot wearing (Tank Girl style) and everyone snogged everyone and no one gave a hoot about labels for sexuality etc."

My mother has neither a passport nor driving licence. She never wears skirts or dresses. Same for make-up/perfume. She can swear like a sailor at times. But she is a woman because she has XX chromosomes. She doesn't have to 'perform' being a woman in order to be one.
I pretty much live in skirts/dresses (I'm petite and finding trousers that fit is a nightmare!). Wear make-up/perfume most days. All my official documents say 'female'. But I am a woman because I have XX chromosomes-not because of how I look or act.

Butch lesbians with loads of tattoos? It is a very slippery slope.

No it isn't, and would you stop trying to use butch lesbians as some supposedly unassailable example -- because we all know we all get mistaken for men all of the time and we make straight women nervous cos we letch at them in the showers.........

Even the most wonderfully butch women I have ever met, the ones where even I had to look twice or thrice to check is that a woman or is it a man? They share something with me that no male ever will or ever can, no matter how much surgery/hormones/vocal training or passing privilege. Female biology. Even the sexiest butchiest butch is as female as I am, and as female as no male ever can be.

Stop putting surface and appearance above actual facts. And stop using butch lesbians as examples -- although I'd hazard a guess that quite a few of the gender critical dykes on here are actually butch. And proper butch, not the I wear trousers and have short hair therefore I'm butch of the professionally gender-non-conforming...........

Picasso I don't think your repeated insistence that being trans is linked autogynephelia is doing you or GC feminism any favours.

It's clear you are being a GF but to humour you:

Some Autogynephiliacs are cross dressers, it doesn't mean all cross dressers have Autogynephilia

Some criminals are transgender, it doesn't mean all trans people are criminals.

Some murderers like eating candy floss, it doesn't mean everyone who eats candy floss is a murderer.

Oh oh thats me, thats me. Tank Girl complete with DM's army surplus shirt, torn fish nets and lots of black eye liner. Snogged everyone I fancied, regardless of sex.
I really felt like gender was being erased and the future looked bright and now 20+ cough years later am wondering what the heck went wrong