I just peak-trans'd again!

[ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen]

Who knew peak-transing could be like multiple orgasms?

Anyway just have to share my story. I was just removed from a feminist Facebook group after someone posted about Trans claiming “they are women” and I replied they weren’t.

Someone then called me a “terf” and “trash” and then > I < got removed despite the fact I didn't use any slurs, call anyone names, just stated that me agreeing that trans-women are women is tantamount to claiming 2+2=5 in Orwell's 1984.

I'd peak-trans'd long ago but this is the icing on my womanly (cause y'know, wimminz love to bake) cake.

Those claiming bimorphic biological sex have stillallrefused to answer whether they believe the people on this page are male or female

We're not claiming anything. We're pointing out a basic fact of life that my four year old understands. There isn't anyone reading this who is genuinely thinking 'Ah yes. Biological sex, such a tricky one.'

I can see that it's a fact that upsets you for some reason. Therapy maybe?

How can a bank account be female?

Is there a secret lady account that no one told me about due to my tattoos?

"If DP and I bump uglies, No matter what we are wearing, no matter how we feel, no matter how long our hair is or whether we are wearing makeup, only I will ever become pregnant. That has been the case since conception (although obviously the bumping uglies didn't happen until we were significantly older). And once I am older still, and no-longer fertile, it will still have only been me with the ova, and him with the sperm, and that is what made us female/male and woman/man."

So for you, to be a woman a person has to be able to produce a viable ovum to be accepted as a woman?

"We're not claiming anything. We're pointing out a basic fact of life that my four year old understands. There isn't anyone reading this who is genuinely thinking 'Ah yes. Biological sex, such a tricky one.' "

Then @CertainHalfDesertedStreets if it isn't tricky please define male and female in such a way that your definition includes all adult humans

Anyone whose ID (driving licence, passport and bank account etc) is female

You're screwed if you live in a hut in the Andes then. How do they ever procreate without a driving licence, passport and bank account? Maybe they have a different way to tell?

Daimbars
This is another example of a documented case of a "pervert with AGP who actually do illegal things"
www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/01/marie-dean-story-shows-there-s-no-simple-answer-how-we-treat-transgender

I think there are quite a few more from a link I read someone compiled of sexoffenders who claim to be transgender

"You're screwed if you live in a hut in the Andes then. How do they ever procreate without a driving licence, passport and bank account? Maybe they have a different way to tell?"

Different society - which is why I said "lived and worked as a woman".

I think the answer flippingglibbert is in the name - intersex !! They dont have a gender identity issue its a biological one. Abnormalities during development do not mean there is a spectrum of male/female sex.

So for you, to be a woman a person has to be able to produce a viable ovum to be accepted as a woman?

Nope, those eggs may or may not be fertilizable.

However, if your body is of the type which produces ova, you're female, if yours is of the type that produces sperm, you're male - and humans cannot switch between the two. If you are one, you cannot transform into the other, you can only imitate them superficially.

Then@CertainHalfDesertedStreetsif it isn't tricky please define male and female in such a way that your definition includesalladult humans

Including the ones with complex and rare genetic medical conditions? The ones who asked you to leave them out of it? Ah you got me. The whole edifice crumbles And that man I saw yesterday proves that we're not a species with two legs. Those Andean hut dwellers are still standing around scratching their heads too.

Men and women. Always has been, always will be.

Is it time for the pigeon chess meme?

Worked as a woman?

This gets more outlandish by the moment.

So what about transwomen who claim to be women and identify as such but without legal documents saying female? Are they men?

Gib really is fielding a full complement of offensive canards, I must say.

I'm beginning to think Gib is either a fifth columnist or a parody.

A cartoon version of an incel MRA transactivist in Viz wouldn't be this obnoxious and wrong about everything.

Different society - which is why I said "lived and worked as a woman".

By choice? Ie. they got to choose? Or is it valid if someone looked between their legs at birth and went 'Nope, you can't be a taxi-driver, you have to stay at home in an abaya and watch the kids'

Because I think this is where your idea falls down - lots of people aren't 'living and working' as women because that's what they chose, but because that's what their society chose for them when it saw the vulva.

I think for Gibberty working as a woman may mean working whilst wearing a dress.

Abnormalities during development do not mean there is a spectrum of male/female sex.

The abnormalities prove the binary otherwise they wouldn't be developmental disorders.

And a "gender identity" is analogous to a soul, not a physical developmental disorder - despite all the irrelevant studies the flailers fling down.

I have told you. Anyone whose ID (driving licence, passport and bank account etc) is female. In short, anyone who lives and works as a woman.

And most of us here disagree with you, because we tend to think actual biology is more important than paperwork.............

You classify people based on 'gender', I don't, I prefer sex. You keep trying to persuade us that since there may be a small number of people with various intersex conditions, that means that sex as usually understood by biologists (and scientists of various other descriptions BTW, who can usually cope quite well with XX/XY as a basically binary system ) should be thrown out as unreliable, and we should go by declared feels instead. Objectivity thrown out and replaced by a load of totally subjective utter bollocks.

You live like that if you want, but I think it's total nonsense. I'll stick to biology (plus happens to be the main reason why women are oppressed, so a teeny bit relevant in my day to day existence!).

It really is insane, this level of insistence that biology isn't this clear. I mean, if you were looking at the biology of trees say (where speciation can get a bit complicated), or slime moulds (Dictyostelium discoideum has three sexes apparently, clever ole slime mould!), then that would be interesting. But claiming that humans don't have two sexes is madness. True, we have almost infinite variations of personality, likes, dislikes, clothing choices, sexual orientation, but that is just the full range of human personality and behaviour. But sex (apart from the banging squishy bits together side of it!) is (sadly) fairly binary...............

So biology can't determine sex but driving licenses can. I don't have. driving license and my passport has expired. Can I stop using contraception now then?

Biology shouldnt limit who we are but the identification of a vagina at birth means in all but a tiny tiny exception means you are a girl and thus forth will experience biological female proceses such as menstruation, menopause and in some cases childbirth and be treated socially by the rest of the world both male and female as so. Men can perform woman as much as they like but they will never actually walk in our shoes

I'd love to know what living/working as a woman means.

"So what about transwomen who claim to be women and identify as such but without legal documents saying female? Are they men?"

If their documentation is entirely male and they aren't trying to change it then, yes, pro tem I think it is reasonable to regard them as men.

Well, you're at odds with most trans activist organisations then @GibbertyFlibbert.

"Biology shouldnt limit who we are but the identification of a vagina at birth means in all but a tiny tiny exception means you are a girl and thus forth will experience biological female proceses such as menstruation, menopause and in some cases childbirth and be treated socially by the rest of the world both male and female as so. Men can perform woman as much as they like but they will never actually walk in our shoes"

No. You are ducking the question. The definition needs to be robust so that there is clarity. So no exceptions please. I don't believe a comprehensive biological definition is possible, certainly not with severe prejudice against some women. Prove me wrong.

Wow so you would deny transwomen who haven't yet managed to complete their legal transition their womanhood? Isn't that transphobic?

So biology can't determine sex but driving licenses can. I don't have. driving license and my passport has expired. Can I stop using contraception now then?

I'd love to know what living/working as a woman means.

Gib is going for this disingenuous load of old bollocks because paperwork is the evidential requirement in the GRC application process. To supply evidence that you have been "living as a woman" for two years = sending in copies of your leccy bill showing you as a customer with a woman's name; sending in a copy of your driving licence where you've put your "gender" as "female"; your payslips showing a woman's name.

It's laughable, really.