I just peak-trans'd again!

[ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen]

Who knew peak-transing could be like multiple orgasms?

Anyway just have to share my story. I was just removed from a feminist Facebook group after someone posted about Trans claiming “they are women” and I replied they weren’t.

Someone then called me a “terf” and “trash” and then > I < got removed despite the fact I didn't use any slurs, call anyone names, just stated that me agreeing that trans-women are women is tantamount to claiming 2+2=5 in Orwell's 1984.

I'd peak-trans'd long ago but this is the icing on my womanly (cause y'know, wimminz love to bake) cake.

Tena ladys are ladies. Like fat ladies and thin ladies.

My favourite quote of the thread so far:

"We shouldn't be just reduced to a hole. We're a bit more complicated than that"

Buts isn't that what men have been doing to us for years? Why stop now?!

I've been a lesbian feminist activist for over 35 years and I've endured a fair bit of homophobia: I'm buggered if I'll be seen off now by a bunch of blue-haired students telling me I'm some kind of halfway point on a sex continuum.

It is sad, though, how very estranged from the lesbian and gay community I feel. I helped build that community, along with many other lesbian feminists. Our contribution is not just ignored but actively erased with the bizarre rewriting of LGBT history that is going on. Straight kids think they're queerer than me. Most sadly, I feel a gulf between me and the lesbians I know who have now transitioned. I always knew that, if forced to choose between feminism and gay activism, I'd choose women. I just couldn't believe that that choice would ever be forced on me.

@Ketzele That's really sad and it wasn't even a gulf I was aware of until it was discussed on MN.

For me, it always starts and ends with free speech. As soon as the pronouns nonsense started, soon followed by cries of "deadnaming" and "literal violence" my ears pricked up.

Demanding control of other people's language is the first step on the path to fascism.

It has now become a complete joke, when TRAs not only blindly keep bleating "trans-women are women" ad infinitum but demand we repeat it too.

Freedom is the freedom to say 2 plus 2 equals 4.

Freedom is the freedom to say 2 plus 2 equals 4.

Amen to that. I can barely believe it’s really at risk in the modern U.K., but as it is, we have to keep repeating the heresy.

*It's really very simple. Do we want a society in which some women are denied rights because their body doesn't conform to what other people think women should look like or do we accept that women get a choice?

As soon as we start saying a trans woman isn't a woman because her body is this or not, who is next? Intersex women? Butch lesbians with loads of tattoos? It is a very slippery slope. For me it is easy: anyone willing to face society as a woman - with all the disadvantages that entails - by changing their driving licence, passport and bank account to female is a woman. If she wants surgery, great. If she doesn't, also great. But I won't be party to saying a woman is not a woman because she chooses not to have surgery to conform*

Lol, how ridiculous and desperate - I’m sure it’s going to persuade millions though

". Essentially most trans women are intersex but in ways medicine did not understand twenty years ago. "

That's it, you've one. No psedoscientific bollocks can top that. I like how you're not even stating it as hard fact. They arent intersex, they're only essentialy intersex. What does this mean? Do only some of their cells have an extra sex chromosome? Do only some of their adrogen receptors not work?

I did a project on intersex conditions 20 years ago at university and I understood it then, like I understand it today, and it hasnt really changed. Very few people arent truly sexual dimorphic (not bimorphic) due to particular genetic abnormalities.

Women don't get s choice in being women. Whatever gave you that idea.

Well this thread has certainly peaked a whole bunch of new people.

The reason women need sex segregation is because they are oppressed due to their biology.

When other people demand that biology is not just meaningless, it's a science fiction that can be melded and bent to their will, they come across as not just unhinged, but very menacing.

The desperate compulsion to scrabble around and find any means possible to shore up their assertions is extremely uncomfortable to watch.

It doesn't just demonstrate the urgent need to keep them away from women in vulnerable situations, it shows a quite profound level of delusion that is nothing short of disturbing.

Just dropping this here for boatyardblues and Maryz..

www.flickr.com/photos/sweetiepiepress/2785282539

Giddyup, Stegosaurus!

(From America's Creation Museum)

Or triceretops, even.

And as for this breathtaking piece of misogyny - aka the most childish thing I've read today

I have told you. Anyone whose ID (driving licence, passport and bank account etc) is female. In short, anyone who lives and works as a woman.

This means that any rapist, paedophile, psychopath, murderer, could be considered a woman, but not my mum.

Or for the metalheads.

i.imgur.com/kqxK0.jpg

Thanks for the saddled dinosaur pics AAK - very cheering on this fine morning.

I've just wandered open-mouthed into that museum Kittens. I particularly like their description: "Creationists love science! In fact, the word science means “knowledge.” ... You’ll learn about the different types of science and discover facts and logical arguments you might have never considered." - it's very like the trans argument, which currently appears to be "here are some alternative facts, backed up by some dodgy science, we will YELL LOUDLY until you give up and pretend to believe us".

The museum, and the facts behind it, are quite amusing. Until suddenly you realise that people actually believe this shit, and what's more they are teaching it as truth to children in schools in the US and suddenly it's not so funny after all. Another parallel with trans beliefs.

Alternative facts! At least the creation museum is fun in a messed up sort of way, unlike TRA Twitter which is about as much fun as a trip to the dentist.

Have you seen the youtube videos about creationism that hinge on how a banana fits perfectly in your hand?

There are some actual creative geniuses - if only they could use their skills for good!

Flat earthers...they have arguments to support their ideology too but people just laugh at them.

Flat earthers...they have arguments to support their ideology too but people just laugh at them.

Well, my dining table stands perfectly evenly on my dining room floor. Therefore, the Earth is flat!

The Young Earth Creationist threads of a few years ago were fabulous.

It all started when a YEC Canadian man called Best Value turned up on this one

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/1719381-Young-Earth-Creationists

Migraines are one of the medical conditions that is more common in females because of our female biology and can also be triggered by menstrual cycles, contraceptives, menopause, and pregnancy, all aspects of our reproductive biology. Whilst TIMs do get migraines from cross-sex hormones, they won't get migraines triggered by hormone fluctuations, and they could stop taking the hormones at any time. By contrast, females requesting oopherectomies for migraine get refused and histrelin implants to induce the effects of an oopherectomy without surgery, which reduce menstrual migraine in females when combined with estradiol patches, are not licensed for migraine treatment in the UK, only for prostate cancer palliative care. Migraine with aura more than doubles a person's risk of stroke, and as a consequence of this, the NHS won't give oestrogen-based contraceptives to women who get migraine with aura because oestrogen also increases stroke risk. The combined pill quadruples stroke risk. (Pro tip: get an IUD or IUS or get him snipped.)

@boatyardblues, whose post reminded me of how migraine is mainly a female health issue, you have my sympathies.

Bloody hell, Bore, I've just fallen head first into that thread.

I now believe that the earth is 6,000 years old. Or not. I'm not sure

I've come to one firm conclusion, though - "peer reviewed" no longer means "factually correct" as it used to. How did that happen? It used to be the case that if one narrowed down research to articles that were peer-reviewed one could be relatively sure that there was some sort of standard being adhered to, but not any more, it seems.

Oh, they were a real education, Maryz - they ran into about 4 threads in the end. Do read them all if you can. Best Value/Randy Ruggles had his own Youtubes and all sorts, really wanted to be a big hitter in the Creationist world.

The tactics were very very similar to those displayed by MRAs/TRAs etc, but he was shot down again and again by the fabulous women of MN.

Re the peer review thing - I guess it depends on who you consider to be your peers.

PS - good to 'see' you again. I thought of you when the Repeal the 8th result came in

Good to see you too. I've discovered that I'm too old (and cynical) for most of MN these days so just wander in and out).

Yes that result was great; now for the hard work of legislating and coping with the (mainly American) protesters who are still wandering around with their disgusting posters