Posie: truthcrime harassment continues

[Pratchet]

Susie Green from Mermaids has appealed against the CPS decision not to pursue Posie.

Posie described truthfully what Susie Green did to her child in Thailand at the age of sixteen: surgery involving the removal of genitals, a decision so shocking to the Thai government they raised the age bar for such operations to 18.

A woman is being pursued and harassed for telling the truth. Can we show as much support as possible please.

I understand it's a survey that people dispute.

Certainly is.

It really is not women's job to make a distinction between genuine transwomen and those who some people think may not be.

Well no not women specifically. It's mental health/ medical and legal professional's jobs to do that currently.

You know something BeWi I've worked out what it is about you now.

You're used to being top dog. Alpha female. You don't like it when someone speaks back to you, or posts facts you can't refute, or disagrees with you in a cogent, calm and (reasonably) intelligent well thought out way.

You don't like it one single bit.

Their tactic to stop debate is to threaten and punch women.

Or alternatively, become victims who need protection; crying and claiming they are being attacked by transphobes who say they are male. I appreciate it isn’t pleasant to hear if you have gender dysphoria, but we really can’t have any debate when facts are considered bigoted.

Supermatch

While I have no reason to disbelieve what the author of that Swedish study said after it was published, the stratified data showing no difference in rates of criminality were not included in the publication, have not undergone peer review, and are not available for scrutiny. Therefore, I take them with a pinch of salt. If I could see the numbers for myself, I could be convinced.

The data showing similar rates for transwomen and men were published in an open access journal and are unambiguous. Nevertheless, the study only included post-op transsexuals, as you acknowledge, and isn't really relevant now.

"No one will do an RCT, it wouldn't be ethical. But it isn't the job of research to prove innocence. That isn't how the law work either."

We experiment on animals, ethics is a lazy excuse. Whether or not it is the law is irrelevant. We are debating scientific method.

And I wonder why you would think RCTs are unethical? I see no problem here. All you would have to do is counsel a random group of men essentially and see how their crime pattern is affected, surely counselling cannot possible be considered harmful? So, what is the ethical consideration here? And what is your opposition to RCTs in general?

Is it not? What is the assertion here? Transwomen are less violent than men? Or is it transwomen retain male crime patterns? To me it's quite clear the people who argue that transwomen are no harm are the ones who bear the burden of proof.

"trans women transitioners after 1989 did not have an increased crime rate compared to 'cis' females."

Poor choice of words in the screenshot then, but your explanation makes sense now.

"Yes I agree testosterone has a role in aggression etc. I'm not arguing for or supporting self ID. This was in response to discussing medically transitioned trans women."

Well that is refreshing. Apologies for derailing but I am interested - what is your view on transwomen in women's sport?

The Sweden study stands, without question. TRA bully and harass any academic who steps out of line. This was the only way she could protect her job and her research, along with her status and funds for further research.

Supermatch I defy you to call for fresh research. TRA don't want it.

SupermatchGame

12th rule of misogyny: Women's ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

"Am I the only one who usually just scrolls past SmGs male dominance displays?"

He is male?

If he isn't male then my usually excellent 'Im The Most Cleverest Man On The Internet' radar has gone wonky.

Thebewilderness - I try to scroll past but unfortunately he pokes and pokes at women to engage with him, gaslighting them and doing that 'last word' thing that wannabe smart (but failing) guys do.

Pratchet It definitely stands as it is. And I'm tired of the misrepresentation.

Some gender critical people initially misunderstood the wording of the conclusion on crime to mean that the study showed that the MtF transsexuals in question had an increased risk of crime compared to the male control group. It did not and the authors were very vocal in correcting this misunderstanding.

However, at no point did they say that MtF transsexuals had a lower rate of criminiality compared to the male control group. Here is the author in her own words in an ask-me-anything in 2015:

For the last period (1989-2003) the transgender group did not have any elevated risk of being dead or being hospitalized for suicide attempts or committing any crime or violent crime. They had the same risk as the controls.

TL;DR: the Swedish study confirms that post-op MtF transsexuals, even when well supported, pose the same risk of committing a crime as all other men, ie they retain male pattern criminality.

Ironically it was supermatch who brought the study to the thread. Apparently it's wrong about everything except that no one detransitions

Women would absolutely LOVE more research in this area. Maybe Supermatch will back our call.

There are going to be no new studies done (unless a GC feminist wins the lottery) because the definition of transwoman is such a clusterfuck that no seat of learning will touch it with a bargepole. I do know that sexual fetishists and women largely do not mix well and one would be naive to think that women should not be cautious, given the bravado with which those transwomen with such a proclivity display themselves online. That's got nothing to do with self ID, though.

Anyway, is this the Posie thread? Brava Posie. You are proper brilliant, even if your goadiness in parts make me do a siob. Have you always been Posie Parker on here? If so, you were very much part of my feminist awakening along with the blessed Dittany, Sardine, Ask Basil (or whatever her name was back then!). I cut my teeth in a previous incarnation on threads you were on and I thank you for being a part.

Thank you for standing up.

There are going to be no new studies done (unless a GC feminist wins the lottery) because the definition of transwoman is such a clusterfuck that no seat of learning will touch it with a bargepole.

This is true. The narrative is being controlled already - academics wanting to look at any aspect that runs counter to gender ideology are not funded. I forget his name, but there's one who is crowdfunding research into de-transitioning, because his funding was cut.

Freedom of expression, critical thinking is disappearing from academia and universities when it comes to gender.

Politics too - currently the woman who heckled Munroe last night is being "investigated" by the Green Party (she is a GP candidate) - after undergoing a "Twitter" attack, and a complaint by a (TA) member of the Labour Party,

Mumsnet is under attack. Posie, interviewed by police for stating facts in the public domain, Linda for saying she would defend herself after Maria was punched in the face.

Our press - Trans Media Watch managed to have the Telegraph & Times grilled by parliamentary committee for "transphobia".

Our elected MPs - David Davies under investigation for allowing Venice to hold a meeting. Jacob Rees Mogg - heckled and no-platformed by masked men at Bristol.

Honestly, can people not see that everything a democratic society should hold dear, is under attack?

And Toe men are not held to the same standards as women are even when men say intentionally offensive or aggressive stuff.

There are so many examples of that but this is just one, interesting when you look at how some political parties are investigating or chucking out gender critical members:

Are the Labour Party treating women that they investigate fairly compared to what men can do and say? The offensive tweets go back nearly ten years.

This Labour local councillor was up for re-election:
thetab.com/uk/manchester/2018/05/03/withington-labour-councillor-standing-for-re-election-today-tweeted-that-women-are-cnts-34426

A spokesperson for the Manchester Labour group said: “He has been given a first and final warning for the tones of these tweets. These postings are not acceptable from a Labour councillor in Manchester.”

A Labour Party spokesperson said: “The Labour Party takes any complaints of online abuse extremely seriously. All complaints are fully investigated in line with our procedures.”

Greater Manchester Police have also launched an investigation after receiving reports of posts that promoted physical violence against women.

I've just watched Posie's trailer for her next video talking to Venice Allen, and seen her photo of the two of them together.. they look like a grown up pop punk grrrl band and now I cant get Shampoo out of my head.

This is not a bad thing, btw :D

James Caspian is the name you are looking for

James Caspian is the name you are looking for

From the Times, January 2018
www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/university-trying-to-hound-me-out-says-gender-researcher-nswr9wn62

'University trying to hound me out, says gender researcher'
"A researcher barred by Bath Spa University from studying people who regret having undergone gender reassignment says the university is trying to “bully” him out of taking it to court over the decision.

James Caspian, a psychologist specialising in therapy for transgender people, was told his subject was “potentially politically incorrect” and risked triggering attacks on social media.

Caspian said he tried to challenge the December 2016 decision in court, but was advised to use the university’s complaints procedure first. He said Bath Spa delayed the process so it was not yet finished when the case first came to court. As a result, his legal action was thrown out.

Bath Spa then applied for, and was awarded, costs of just under £5,000 against Caspian. He has offered to pay the money at £200 a month but has received what he describes as a “nasty” and “aggressive” email from the university’s solicitor demanding immediate payment.

Caspian, who is now trying to raise money for a fresh legal challenge on the CrowdJustice site, said: “This is obviously a tactic to get rid of me. They have breached the most basic tenets of intellectual freedom of inquiry and are now trying to shut me down by bullying me about the money.”

discussed:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3152066-Times-article-today-James-Caspian-and-Bath-Spa-University

Update thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3129659-Update-from-James-Caspian-on-his-case-against-Bath-Spa-University-to-be-allowed-to-research-detransitioners