Posie: truthcrime harassment continues

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Susie Green from Mermaids has appealed against the CPS decision not to pursue Posie.

Posie described truthfully what Susie Green did to her child in Thailand at the age of sixteen: surgery involving the removal of genitals, a decision so shocking to the Thai government they raised the age bar for such operations to 18.

A woman is being pursued and harassed for telling the truth. Can we show as much support as possible please.

Can anyone provide the link to the evidence base for this treatment being given at 16?

There isn’t any. It’s illegal in the uk.

No but there is a major difference between the two 'procedures'. The difference in this case of genital reassignment is 2 years. There is obviously no age when FGM is appropriate. They aren't even remotely comparable imo.

At 16 it’s illegal though, yes?
So not evidence based - illegal.
Not a recognised treatment, illegal.

‘Oh just a matter of a couple of years then it’d be legal...’ tell me supermatch what kind of offence do we hear that rather a lot about?

And you honestly think this is ok? Would an adult handing sex with a 14 year old be ok because in two years they’ll be legal?

Mind boggling.

If we're going to start discussing evidence based medicine (a good idea) can we focus on recent neurological research suggesting that the prefrontal cortex (the bit that does complex decision making, impulse control) doesn't finish developing fully till the early to mid twenties. So sixteen isn't just a couple of years too early, it's nearly a decade too early. (As for the reports of double mastectomies aged 13 that I've seen referenced on here, I have no words. Does anyone have a reliable source for this eg mainstream Canadian newspaper?)

what kind of offence do we hear that rather a lot about?

Arrgh Bowl we were practically having a civilised discussion there! And then you had to go and spoil it by weaponising pedophilia. Again.

Keep hold of your money. Give my video a click and there are some ideas of what we all can do.

I have a friend who went through her teens feeling massive dysphoria towards her sexed body and in particular towards her breasts. For a while she thought that she might well be trans (I remember numerous late night conversations together about it - at the time it would not have surprised me at all if she had transitioned, such was her obvious discomfort and dysphoria). She is now a happily married lesbian with a child she gave birth to and breast fed.

There is no way any 14 year old could know for sure that this was their final, adult belief set. (I notice that article mentions religious belief - there does seem to be a correlation there between parents with religious belief and parents who think children interested in activities for the "wrong sex" are in fact the wrong sex in their souls or some such).

It's easier to buy into the wrong body nonsense if you already believe in a soul that 'inhabits' the body. How it can be reconciled with the idea of an infallible god, I don't know. Compartmentalised thinking, perhaps.

Great video Posie

supermatch do you believe that a procedure that it’s illegal to do on a 16 year old because of their age is OK because they will be legal in a couple of years?*

So, yes or no: is it ok to do a surgical procedure on a person below the legal age limit for it?

And while we are at it, since you flounced last night can humans change sex?

Thanks for the video Posy, will follow all you recommend.

My problem with ‘civilised discussion’ With you, supermatch, is that when people ask you straight questions, like ‘can humans change sex’ or ‘is it ok to do a surgical procedure on someone too young by law for it?’ you don’t answer them. You just waffle, drop dubious linkies and throw around accusations.

It’s not a discussion because you have no argument. No gender analysis, you have no data and you have no stance that stands up to scrutiny. You don’t answer questions and you flounce when you have nowhere left to waffle to.

What’s the point? Screaming bigot and weaponised paedophilia (what does that even mean, other than shut up) is not debate.

Maybe that’s what #nodebate means. Won’t debate, can’t debate.

Maybe that’s what #nodebate means. Won’t debate, can’t debate.

They are just here for the trollhouse cookies.

Aye. Point taken. I shall go and do something less injurious to my pregnant blood pressure... ;)

Bugger. I've logged back in when I told myself I wouldn't.

So, yes or no: is it ok to do a surgical procedure on a person below the legal age limit for it?

As a question with no context at all, answer: no. In that particular case being discussed it's not my call to make, but context is important. There is a huge difference between a parent facilitating genital reassignment for a 16 year old, and FGM on a person of any age.

And while we are at it, since you flounced last night can humans change sex?

Didn't flounce Bowl, just tried not to get dragged into the insanity.

Not chromosomally no. But they can change the sex of their hormones, some biological aspects, legal status, some physiological aspects, and sometimes in day to day perception. So there will always be some biological differences between trans women and non-trans women - but I think it's a matter of how much difference, to whom does it mater, when and why.

Now I'm off to watch a new video by the fabulous posieparker. [glides calmly out room]

Love your video and your speech Posie absolutely fantastic

Great video Posie. I totally support you, please keep us informed, I'm happy to donate again if needed

SG - I''m confused. Why is there such a big difference for you between FGM at' any age' and genital 'reassignment' (for me, that's a euphamism - it's still mutilation in the true sense of 'GM', just a more politically correct term when you're talking about children and trans).

If children don't fully mature until late teens/early 20s, how can surgery be right for trans kids but not for FGM 'at any age' in your opinion?

Does FGM/genital 'reassignment' not facilitate the same outcome - less ability to fully experience adult sexuality?

In terms of 'changing sex', I'm also confused by your explanation:

Hormones - how does taking synthetic hormones change your biological sex? Surely it just changes the hormone level of your base biology?

Biological aspect? Do you mean surgery? But no surgery changes your sex - it just mimics the openings, identifiying body parts etc of the other sex. They're not actually the same as those body parts?

Legal - fair enough. Someone has said on a bit of paper you're the 'other sex'. It doesn't magically make your body the other sex.

Physiological? I don't understand. Do you mean the effects of taking hormones to mimic the other biological sex's presentation?

Day-to-day perception? If you're successful in mimicing the sterotypes and expectations of the 'other' sex, I guess this means you've 'changed sex'? Is this what you mean? So if I convince others by my dress and stance that I'm 'a man', I've 'changed sex'?

To whom does it matter, when and why. Well, I guess, when you're referring to sex-based spaces and services, it matters highly. Do those occasions not matter to you ever? Children, safeguarding, vulnerable women? You never seem to address their concerns in your answers.

Great video, Posie. Excellent suggestions. I look forward to watching the interviews.

Not chromosomally no

So that's a definitive "no" then - humans cannot change sex. Glad we've cleared that up.

Cue lots of clownfish stuff

One of my friends was a very early developer
She had very large breasts at a young age and hated them. Besides the practical issues, running/sport, it was the way she was treated
Men old enough to be her father would stare at them when talking to her. Random comments from strangers. All hard to cope with at 13/14
If the option was available she may well have identified as trans and had surgery. Her puberty was horrible

I had a friend like that as well, AAPP.
She was tiny, even for a 13 year old girl, and large breasted.
It was a daily torment for her at school.

If I was 13, 14 now, I would have been very vulnerable to Mermaids types. I dread to think how fucked up fortysomething me would be because of it.

U.S. girl who had mastectomy at age 13, now is posterchild for a project "GenderCool" pushed by the New York Times.

lilymaynard.wordpress.com/2018/03/31/but-nobody-is-encouraging-kids-to-be-trans-2/