Biological SEX MATTERS. How many mumsnetters say "aye" to this campaign?

[SexMatters]

This document and campaign called 'Sex Matters' is a collaborative effort by amazing and knowledgeable mumsnetters on a couple of threads in FWR.

To move forward with the campaign, the organisations and individuals approached will need to know who is behind it, and the honest truth, is that mumsnetters have spearheaded it.

That does not mean that other campaigners can't get involved or even take greater ownership of it. But it needs a bio in order to introduce it to people and organisations to get started and I need your consent to describe the campaign this way: 'mumsnetter led' (and maybe even some suggestions for writing a bio on this thread).

So, you amazing gender-critical mumsnetters, do you say 'aye'?

That's an Aye from Buckingfrolicks

Aye

Aye. Good document full of common sense. Well done and thank you.

Same sex sounds safer and I think that safety is what resonates most

AYE

Aye

Aye.

AYE.

Not all of it is worded exactly as I would have done it myself. But having done a lot of work writing documents by committee, I've found that you can consult 100 people and you'll get 150 differing opinions, and you can become paralysed attempting to find an impossible compromise. The underlying principle is what's important, the detail can be hammered out once the main fight has been one. And the underlying principle is one that I absolutely support.

Agree with ‘same sex’ then, if that sounds like a safer space than ‘single sex’ does- safety is the key point!

Aye.

Aye! And thank you

Aye

Aye. I was repeatedly groped by a male hair dresser cutting my hair as a teenager. I want the right to choose now.

Aye (how many ayes is that?)

It's a tiny subset of Mumsnet isnt it, who engage on these issues.

Out of the millions of registered MNers, it is only ever a small subset that support any of the MN campaigns. Most MNers are passive on any particular issue.

Aye

Aye.

Aye.

Aye!

Wrt hairdressers, someone tweeted a while ago on about how she didn’t know their hairstylist was a trans identified male, until she felt his penis on her shoulder 😮

Aye

A big fat aye x

It's an aye from me

It's a no from me. At the moment I can only agree with segregation for certain sports at a competitive level and for statistical analysis in general.

It is the penis that's the main thing isn't it? Or is that just me?

When it comes to toilets, dressing rooms, nursing etc - I want to know that the person next to me/caring for me/treating me does not have a penis.

I had this discussion tonight with Dh - and he agreed that most people, when asked about transwomen, don't realise that they can still be male-bodied, and have penises.

There seems to be a massive TRA directive that "my genitals are none of your business" and "what's in my pants is not relevant, transphobe!" - but this is bullshit. I don't want a male bodied person in female spaces. I feel this is being totally shut down as an argument - women are actually being told that they must allow penises into their spaces or they're bigots. I call bullshit on that.

Every single piece of socialisation women and girls receive is about protecting themselves from those with penises. Men. Every single bit. From not walking alone at night, to being careful who and where you meet a date, to every victim blaming rape-myth a rape victim has heard, and had used against her in court. So yes, of course we're wary.

"Transwomen are women" is a mantra to make us forget that, and will result in women dealing with male-bodies in what were previously female spaces. And that is not ok. This is what we're fighting - a directive in law, that says any female space is now open to males just because they say so. I object.