ITV 8pm Tonight programme on the trans debate

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Be interesting if it actually gets debated.

I may sound stupid here but if being a woman isn't having / being born with ovaries, uterus etc, what is it? Likewise what is a man?

This is an interview with the author of when Harry became Sally
dailysignal.com/2018/02/12/qa-transgender-movement-cant-sustain/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

That is the question that no one will answer, Halulat.

Your little boys aren't going to come home wanting a skirt for their birthday.
And if they do it won’t make them girls. Woman isn’t a costume.
Woman isn’t a feeling.
Woman isn’t someone in a dress and heels.
Woman isn’t long hair.
Woman isn’t make up.

Woman is an adult human who was born with a vagina.

Simon I don't think anyone is disputing that a human born as female has a vagina??
Keep up.

incorruptibledream

I think its you that needs to keep up. Canada introduced self ID and now biology is literal hate speech.

Reporting by Pink News on how women made the Women's March unsafe by wearing hats;
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/01/22/the-womens-march-was-made-unsafe-by-anti-trans-signs-and-pussy-hats/

[[Here's the same event reported by Feminist current;
www.feministcurrent.com/2018/01/22/vancouver-womens-march-becomes-opportunity-misogynist-threats-women/]]

Self ID is a positive move and thankfully moving along as it should.
These children would make the same transition to identify as they wish with or without you. So you can either help or hinder them. Either way you would soon become irrelevant. And remembered as such.

One day, Incorruptible, you will be old like us and there will be something like this that you disagree with and there will be a younger person like you saying that it’s going to change if you like it or not.

Don’t reply saying that it will never be the case, or that you can never be as narrow minded as us. It will happen.

incorruptibledream Sterilising children is child abuse. Targeting gay and non gender conforming children for sterilisation is homophobia and child abuse.

Oh, and here are some of the heart throbs of my youth just in case you thought that putting on make up etc was a new thing.

Perhaps one day incorruptible you won't be so easily corrupted
And you may learn to think. Or you may just stay as immature as you are now, especially if you prevent maturity by using puberty blockers

Do you suppose this is some new iteration of peter pan syndrome?

That maybe true Simon but as history shows the changes often prevail. And this instance, quite rightly.

I wonder what this will do to women’s sport.
My dd plays football to a good level. However it’s a different game to the men’s game and she finds playing against them very tough.
Likewise women’s tennis is very different to men’s tennis. What will happen in thus brave new world? Will my daughters learn that they will never be good enough women to compete at high level because there are ‘other’(trans) women who are much better at it due to physical advantage?

How is that equality?

incorruptibledream I’m Goan you’re young enough that, hopefully, you’ll be able to answer all those young people, when they ask “why did you let me decide as a child, to destroy my body? Why didn’t you protect me from my childish ideology?”

You can also answer the young women when they asked you why men were permitted to go into female areas and molest and rape them, why women no longer enter female sports because they will never win against the men, why the rate of female cancer deaths have increased because so many women don’t want men in dresses examining them, why did you not just stand back and let children be medicated and have their sexual organs destroyed and women’s rights be stripped from them, but actually encouraged it.

I’m so glad I’m a middle aged woman that is trying to protect females and children. I won’t have anything to be ashamed off when this all blows up, because I will be able to say, NOT IN MY NAME.

Goan = glad

I was wondering where Goa came in

don't think anyone is disputing that a human born as female has a vagina??
Keep up

Believe me they are. You try to keep up.

That maybe true Simon but as history shows the changes often prevail. And this instance, quite rightly.

It won't, because it's a movement based on an unreality - which is at it's root deeply homophobic, anti-women and anti-science.

You cannot shout "transwomen are women" at us and make us believe it. Because it's not true.

And this: twitter.com/vicecanada/status/967121462418063360

Read the comments under that article. Read the comments also on Riley's youtube video referred to in the article. People are really not going to be ok with this.

Funnily enough people are against being told who they must sleep with - it's kinda rapey. Makes people a bit angry to be told they are bigotted because of their choice of sexual partner.

That, and the child abuse - feeding pre-pubescent children drugs, sterilising them, operating on them - reducing their pool of available sexual partners and ensuring they will be unable to have children because of the crazy new gender ideology - will spell the end of this madness.

I notice this is all about lesbians being told that they are transphobes if they don’t want to date trans women. Not straight men, where are the people having a go at the straight men who don’t want relationships with trans women.
Or gay men not wanting to date trans men even.

This is crazy, I was a complete Tomboy as a child, used to be up trees, play footie, loved cars and lego, was devastated when I started developing, as things were easier for boys than girls. I am a married mum, completely happy, apart from the weight, in my own skin. It frightens me that labelling children before they are of an age to make an informed decision of their own, is taking precedent.

I was wondering where Goa came in My subconscious is telling me I need to go somewhere hot. 😁

PERF I would listen!

PERF grin I would listen! If only! 😁

Terftastic: deeply homophobic, anti-women and anti-science.

I don't see how it's any of these things.

You cannot shout "transwomen are women" at us

I haven't. And wouldn't.

people are really not going to be ok with this.

I think away from groups that harbour narrow minded views such as MN most people are very much ok with this

Funnily enough people are against being told who they must sleep with - it's kinda rapey.

This has nothing to do with Rape. I wish people wouldn't throw this word around. It has a meaning.

feeding pre-pubescent children drugs

Oh yes the schools forcing children to take hormones. Which schools ARE these exactly?