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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rose McGowan video

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QueenShitSandwich · 02/02/2018 07:24

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CAAKE · 03/02/2018 15:06

Its funny how these TIM writers and activists (Andi, Katelyn and Ashley included) shout at us that they "are women", but they ALL feel it necessary to put "trans" in their bios and Twitter headers. If they aren't any different to other women then they should stop fucking bleating on about being trans at every damn opportunity. If you're a woman just get on and be a fucking woman like the rest of us.

The thing is - it's not actually about being a woman, is it? It's about being a Very Special Victim (a woman-hating trans identified male).

OlennasWimple · 03/02/2018 15:10

I think vajazzles are probably transmisogynophobic, Angry Wink

BelaLugosisShed · 03/02/2018 15:12

I went down the rabbit hole reading about Katelyn Burns on kiwifarms last night 🙈

BiologyMatters · 03/02/2018 15:14

I'm starting to think "oh why don't you just fuck OFF!" whenever another TIM pops up and says he's a victim of oppression by white cis women. Why's it ok to use white as an insult? I can't help being white any more than i can help being female, or a TIM can help being male.

On anothet note can anyone define transphobic for me?

AngryAttackKittens · 03/02/2018 15:16

Seems to mean "anything a trans person doesn't like".

NaturalWoman · 03/02/2018 15:17

If you're a woman just get on and be a fucking woman like the rest of us.

Quite and when you hear a fellow woman talk about her experiences of rape, show that you are part of the 'sisterhood' and stand beside her in support rather than treat her like the enemy because she isn't talking about you and how bad it is for you.

If transwomen want women to accept them, then they need to start being nicer to us, you know, behave more like women rather than aggressive, misogynistic, bullying, predatory men.

After all, you catch more flies with sugar than with vinegar...

But then that is the problem. They don't want to be us; be like us; be one of us. They want to replace us. And that's just not cricket*.

  • delete and replace with any acceptable stereotypically female activity.
AngryAttackKittens · 03/02/2018 15:21

Not to be a broken record but a lot of things about TRAs make more sense once you understand how narcissistic personality disorder works.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 03/02/2018 15:24

Can you describe Angry?

Myunicornfliessideways · 03/02/2018 15:27

Transphobic literally does mean 'I don't like that'. I was accused very publically of being 'transphobic' for refusing to break the long established rules of a group for a TRA and allow them to spam the rest of the group with TRA propaganda. He'd had a lot of support from the group and been made very welcome. Gently persisting that no, he needed to abide by the rules like everyone else was a 'ban on positive trans messaging' (wtaf) and there was one heck of a tantrum involving several hand maidens acting as textbook flying monkeys.

It was the first of many peak trans moments.

QueenLaBeefah · 03/02/2018 15:29

"The thing is - it's not actually about being a woman, is it? It's about being a Very Special Victim (a woman-hating trans identified male)"

Completely agree with this CAAKE. It's a bizarre sort of victim hood wrapped up in the belief that they have the right to colonise women. Fuck that shit.

AngryAttackKittens · 03/02/2018 15:30

genderapostates.com/transwomen-and-narcissistic-rage/

AngryAttackKittens · 03/02/2018 15:31

Full PDF of original essay.

www.annelawrence.com/shame_&_narcissistic_rage.pdf

NaturalWoman · 03/02/2018 15:31

I'm continually shocked by just how many handmaidens there are, tbh. Do they think these men will protect them? Do they think it's cool? Do they just not understand? Have they just internalised the misogyny?

Why aren't they all questioning it? They are women; they have mothers, friends, daughters, sisters...

Agerbilatemycardigan · 03/02/2018 15:32

Underestimating actual women will be the downfall of the TRAs and their apologists.

I for one can't wait for it to happen.

AngryAttackKittens · 03/02/2018 15:33

I would say that it's quite the opposite, the people closest to men prone to fits of irrational rage are the ones who're in the most danger. Trying to befriend them is the last way to stay safe.

DickTERFin · 03/02/2018 15:36

White middle class women have to be shamed into silence because we are the only demographic of women that has any social, economic and political power (and we don't have that much in comparison to men).

It is classic abuser tactics to segregate victims from those that could help them (friends and family). In this case the tactic is to dissuade women from different socioeconomic classes from organising together by tainting those with the ability (time, resources etc) to do the structural analysis as being purely self serving.

It's bullshit.

MountainsofMars · 03/02/2018 15:46

The official "Women's March" Facebook page has posted a link to the them.us article with the comment "Please read this interview with the activist who engaged Rose McGowan last night. Transphobia and denying trans women's identities is never okay. The pain we feel does not excuse the pain we cause others."

It's on their TWitter feed, too. I have just responded asking them if they realise that Ms McGowan was one of the people whose speaking out started #MeToo movement & that the person who abused her was an alleged sexual predator.

Now I await the barrage of "Die TERF die" style Tweets that are customary when one says something like that on Twitter.

nauticant · 03/02/2018 15:51

Now this really is reminiscent of the liberal left associating itself with the Paedophile Information Exchange in the 70s/80s*.

The next time you see someone lose their shit over a reference associating AGPs and PIE, think back to this knee-jerk support for Andi Dier.

  • Assuming the allegations against Andi Dier are soundly based
NaturalWoman · 03/02/2018 16:02

I'd be interested tk know what responses you o get, Mountains!

Mrsmiguelcervantes · 03/02/2018 16:07

I challenged a handmaiden on twitter responsding to that awful Women’s March post and got the usual ‘why are you reducing women to their genitals’ brain dead nonsense, she also informed me that my position was indefensible and that terfs like me showed her how far we have to go.

Yes dear, lots more women need to be punched, threatened and bullied before we will all meekly accept like good girls that women have penises now, don’t they? A TRA and his handmaidens’ work is never done!

QueenLaBeefah · 03/02/2018 16:10

I really don't get the handmaidens motivation in this. Is it a desperate need to be liked?

Dominithecat · 03/02/2018 16:43

Ah I just watched the video, and my OH heard and said, direct quote here "that sounds like a man in a complete rage"
So very right. And at least some men can see that TW are in fact men.

nauticant · 03/02/2018 16:51

I suspect that very few men actually think that TW are women. You've got the TRAs with their dyed hair, the SJWs, and the brosocialists who go along with it, and then you've got the vast majority who'll think you're taking the piss.

What you're seeing is that the vast majority of men couldn't give a shit because transwomen are invisible to them and won't be bothered until they see it having an impact in their lives.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 03/02/2018 17:00

Every time that a man's said to me they see a transwoman as a real woman nauticant I always ask them the same question.

"Would you have a relationship with a transwoman? "

They generally look a bit embarrassed and after a bit of throat clearing and virtue signalling about transwomen having the right to present as female, admit that they wouldn't.

QueenLaBeefah · 03/02/2018 17:03

I think that's why TRAs seem to be in a continual state of rage because straight men won't have sex with them.