Rose McGowan video

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Thought this might be of interest

If you take a look at Issendai's blog (often mentioned in relationships board threads, especially in the context of trying to manage a family that involves a narcissist) it often comes up that in a dysfunctional group relationship there are people who have been sucked in, groomed, and are behaving themselves as the narcissist wishes, in part because it meets their own needs in some way - for drama, to be needed, to be with someone of prestige, whatever - and in part because the consequence of trying to get away is to become a target themselves.

Watch the video of Maria Maclachlan being attacked at Hyde Park, in particular the young woman in the TRA group who steps forward and gently tries to hush or restrain a man threatening to attack someone. He turns on her, walks into her face, swears and threatens her in exactly the same way he was threatening the GC women. She is swiftly drawn away and somewhat shielded by another young woman who clearly believes she may be in danger. Both women are afraid of the man they are supporting, and do not seem at all indignant or surprised in any way by his threatening behaviour being turned on them. They show overt submissive and cowed behaviour instantly until he stops threatening to attack them.

Also very well worth reading Lundy Bancroft's book 'why does he do that'?

Queenlabeefah many transwomen have no wish to have sex with men. They want to have sex with lesbians. They're still hetrosexual men, but obviously now they're women themselves straight women aren't good enough (though I can't imagine many straight women wanting to either, can't imagine anything less sexy personally). It's got to be with lesbians, hence the cotton ceiling,lady dicks and all that shit.

Queen I think there's lots of reason including wanting to be a cool girl, feeling flattered that a man would actually want to be a woman and feeling the need to support him in that, female socialisation to care for those deemed more vulnerable and in need than yourself and also the age old approach of take her not me!!!!

The sad truth is that the last approach will not work as they will never be able to appease the TAs, it's just a matter of time until they'll do something "wrong" and get branded a terfbitchbigot etc etc etc like the rest of us nasty women.

I prefer to cut out the middle man and go straight for nasty

So the handmaidens are the flying monkeys?

I get that some trans think they are lesbians but lesbians aren't falling for all this lady dick shit either.

I think that's why TRAs seem to be in a continual state of rage because straight men won't have sex with them.

Very true.

Perhaps they just hate women because straight men want to have sex with us and not them...

Come on, no one wants to have sex with them. Straight men want a woman with a vagina; gay men want a man who looks like a man; straight women want a man who looks like a man and lesbians don't want lady dick.

You could almost feel sorry for them.

I really don't get the handmaidens motivation in this. Is it a desperate need to be liked?

I get them because in my twenties, I would have been one of them.

I had a massive rescuer complex that was routed in my on lack of self-worth. I was a people pleaser. I didn't realise that my need to help other's stemmed from the "need" to be rescued myself, from trauma that I hadn't dealt with. I think, subconsciously, I thought that if I could cultivate a world where people were kind and helped one another then someone would do the same for me.

It was in some ways a very self serving way to be, although if you had said that to me then, I would have been deeply hurt and wouldn't have been able to see it.

Mercifully, I did a lot of internal work and realised that not only was I not helping others, but hurting both them and me. I realised that trauma can only be healed when you allow people to take ownership and responsibility for their own behaviour and ultimately, life.

This is why I find the whole Identity politics/Validation culture an anathema to solid mental and emotional health. When you put your sense of self and worth in the hands of others, you will always be left wanting - it's an inside job.

I think I probably thought it was being collectively supportive when really it was just common or garden variety codependency.

The transwomen that I know all fancy straight men. Therein lies the problem..

You could almost feel sorry for them.

I have a huge amount of compassion for those who, for whatever reason, feel that they should have been born the opposite sex.

I have no sympathy at all for vile, aggressive men.

Perhaps they just hate women because straight men want to have sex with us and not them

Not all, but certainly quite a few of the gay men I have known have harboured the idea that all straight men would turn gay if they could just realise how disgusting females really were compared to the superior class that is men. I've heard one gay men explicitly voice this and would get quite hostile at the idea that straight men actually prefer females and aren't just using them as brood mares.

My ex had a gay best friend since childhood. When we were all drunk one night he claimed he could give my ex a better blow job than I could . My ex just said, "Well we're never going to find out about that are we."

The transwomen that I know all fancy straight men. Therein lies the problem.

Are these older men? Ones that would have come out as gay if they had been born 25 years later?

I've heard one gay men explicitly voice this and would get quite hostile at the idea that straight men actually prefer females and aren't just using them as brood mares.

Yes, I heard this many, many times when I was young and used to hang out at gay bars (I went through a phase of what is charmingly called a "fag hag" - there's soooo much wrapped in those two words, isn't there...?). Women are dirty, smelly, smell of fish, needy, whiny, sexually repressed, and don't have a dick. Why would anyone want to be with them?

Thread of tweets here concerning Andi's online presence that must be presented with a very strong pornographic content warning ⚠️

twitter.com/mermaidradfem/status/959874205209776128

It was retweeted by @BillBaggins96 (worth following) with this:
"Some unpleasant stuff here. But I've come to the conclusion that even if this man stands up tomorrow and says "I'm a woman-hating transvestite, I'm not transgender at all" literally none of the people attacking McGowan will admit they've screwed up."

Urgh, CAAKE. That stuff is awful, and it will be fascinating to see how this unfolds - I agree with BillBaggins' prediction...

Prob needed a NSFW warning on it

From what I have read by the trans identified males quite a few of them are the "Buffalo Bill" sort. They hate women because they envy women.

I was stunned that people were defending the rights of a sexual predator to heckle an activist who exposes sexual predators.

Holy crap, CAAKE. That stuff is beyond awful. (Giving a long reader warning preamble before I describe the content, because I want people to have plenty of time to ignore the rest of this post, but it's important we know what we're up against here. And also because the woman who collated the stuff has been warned that she may well be banned from twitter, and we need to record what was on that thread somewhere, though I understand that people may actually not want the gory details and may be happy simply to be informed that it is obscene shit. However warning over, details follow. The twitter feed CAAKE links to has images with the worst stuff blurred out, but the guy who heckled Rose McGowan has twitter feeds containing sissy porn, racial fetishisation porn, animated underage porn - that's the man that the women's march organisers are supporting while throwing Rose McGowan to the wolves.)

I'm buying her book in solidarity.

I'm not on Twitter, can anyone screenshot those and send to Rose McGowan and all the good and loud? This is the sort of stuff that's all over Pinterest/tumblr/reddit etc, which the general pop have no idea exists.

CAAKE, fancy starting a new thread so that everyone can see this?

That's awful CAAKE. I sincerely hope that some women yelling on Twitter that RM is a TERF and the poor transwoman has been misgendered are now having a bit of a shock and starting to look at things more deeply. One can hope!!

I can't see the twitter thing, it wants me to sign and I don't have an account. Although from the description, I don't think I want to see it. He's being defended and Rose is being thrown to the wolves. It's just sickening.

Sorry if my warning wasn't strong enough - I'll add a nice bold "NSFW" as well next time to be sure.

@birdbandit do you mean something like an AIBU thread? I'm concerned that the content might be a bit much "out there". I know it needs to be seen, but...

Yes, because it would be a valid question, AIBU to think women deserve to know who is attacking them?

Ok, I'll do it! My first AIBU. Wish me luck (gulp)!

I've just put my Facebook head above the parapet for the first time to defend her. I have some transpeople, trans parents and some super libfem types on there.

Wish me luck.