Is "cis" the future ?

[matt1978]

I will admit to being new to the topic and still reading but many threads on here have lead me to further reading. I don't think I've ever bothered with the whole feminist thing until now when I see it being threatened by the trans agenda. Im starting to now feel much more protective about women's rights perhaps it's because I'm older or perhaps in my lifetime there's never been a threat to it ? I'm fearful to say even that for being accused of transphobia and I have no issue at all with anyone living their life as they wish - but I have a daughter and am now fearful for the future - will she have safe women only spaces ? Possibly not. Will she have to call herself a cis woman rather than just a woman ?
I dislike the agenda that you cannot debate or disagree or you're a bigot . It seems so backwards and confusing
I feel ignorant about what's going on out there and would love some insight from better informed posters here .

If you are not an isomer you cannot be cis.

If cis is the future then I am a transwoman- because I've read both definitions, and that's the one I fit.

Of course in my, sex based world, I'm just a woman, because I don't believe that my sex is based on a soul rather than my body,and I don't believe 'woman' should suggest anything other than adult, human, female

If you are not an isomer you cannot be cis.

You could also be a regulatory element that sits on the same DNA strand as the gene which transcription it regulates.
I refuse to use the term for anything else than that and isomers.

I identify as an isomer and your post literally just erased me.

OP, I think lots of women feel the same. The future does not look particularly bright for us at present, but we’re stubborn buggers and will keep fighting this.

I’m the same OP. I grew up believing I could have equality and that we were almost there. Now I’m nearing 50 and I look back at my own life and wonder where that belief disappeared. It began to slip away as soon as I reached the workplace and accelerated when I had children.

Now I see signs everywhere that we are actually going backwards and along with many other women, I’m feeling angry and I’m casting round to see what I can do.

It’s frightening though, to raise one’s head above the parapet, because there’s a lot of bullying going on, but I’m working towards taking action and girding my loins to join in. You are not alone.

I will NEVER accept the label "cis". OP, you are right to be worried. We all need to assert our own identities as women as loudly as we can.

Most people have never even heard of the word cis.

And if you read any mainstream media below the line comments about this issue, you will see the general public saying things along the lines of

Oh, not this again.

Why are we pandering to such minority.

Do what you like, but stop shoving it down our throats.

From people who have no idea about the legal impact, or how misogynistic this ideology has become. They are simply fed up with hearing about it.

So the day someone is referred to as a cis woman or a cis man, in public and, upon questioning it, is told it's because they're not trans, is the day this will explode.

There is no way people will accept being renamed something in relation to, and entirely dependent upon, a minority that they are already sick of hearing about.

Like most women, I am not prepared to be renamed, in order that men who identify as women can claim my original name.

As to the rest of your post, there was a thread started here a while ago which broke down the various component parts of the ideology.

It might be useful, if you think there are gaps in your knowledge?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

How is the transgender agenda "threatening" feminists? X

How is the transgender agenda "threatening" feminists?

Really?

Your comment sounds disingenuous and not worth a response.

And it doesn't threaten 'feminists', it threatens women

A historical/geographical point about the link between "cis" and "trans":

"Cis" and "trans" were used by the Ancient Romans to distinguish between Cisalpine Gaul (between Rome and the Alps) and Transalpine Gaul (beyond the Alps, from Rome's viewpoint). This concept is still used in geography today, e.g. Ciscaucasia versus Transcaucasia.

Hey if you believe my comment is not worth a response then feel free not to give one, I'll just continue with my belief that everyone can do what they wish as it is their life after all.

I am generally curious as to how it affects us women though? People can do what they feel is right and if they discover they are transgender they should absolutely be allowed to transition and I'll be behind them every step of the way because i believe in life, not suicide and death

Is it fuck. Over my (cis) body.

Laine01 Its mildly interesting that you don't think women need women only spaces and services.

Why dont you support a third gender neutral option?

If you're curious as you say, Laine01 you'll find your answer in the thread linked above by Datun.

Back to OP, cis won't be adopted generally, because its redundant, insulting snd people usually choose the simplest words to communicate and cis doesn't help there. Also? People who try to adopt it will inevitably use it in lieu of 'normal/real/actual/biological' and that will piss off TRAs no end until they drop it for the next made up word.

Laine, do you support the right of a transgender sex offender to express his femininity by masturbating in a teenage girl's bedroom? Is her subsequent suicide attempt of any interest to you, or only the angst caused to the sex offender if someone then calls him a male?

Laine01

It's not about transitioning or the lives of trans people. It's about women's rights.

Trans people should have the right to work, housing, access to medical services and wear what they like without fear of discrimination.

Non conformity to gender stereotypes should be acceptable on all levels.

Trans people are protected under the equality law, and the gender recognition act.

Men who self identify as women (without a gender recognition certificate) are campaigning to be ceded women's rights. Specifically for women. So all women shortlists and the right to be transferred to a female prison, irrespective of whether or not they are sex a offender.

It's also about dismantling the current protocols of sex segregation in the female spaces such as toilets, locker rooms, changing rooms, sport etc.

It's not about feminists. It's about the legal definition of the word woman. And whether the legal definition should include any man.

The campaign is for self identification, which is merely downloading and completing an administrative form.

Feminists are the ones who initially started to talk about it, because they are at the coalface of women's rights.

But it affects all women and girls. Every last one.

Here is a (partial) list of rights that will be affected.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/transgender-rights-the-elimination-of-the-human-rights-of-women/amp/

'cis' will be the future in places where people are baffled as to where babies come from and women die of preventable disorders.

@Upstartcrow

I never said women can't have women only spaces i am all for women only spaces i just don't see why transgender people can't have their place in this world too without being blamed.

@Dodopatrol
You have blown this a wee bit out of proportion but i will respond anyway as i'm happy to cover all angles and sides.
Of course i don't support the right of a sex offender i don't support any, i have the same lack of respect for transgender sex offenders as i do cis ones(same with murder ect)

I'm not saying anyone deserves any more respect than any others, i believe that there's room for us all to function in society if we all just got along and were more respectful to each other(however i know that will never happen)

@Datun
Thanks for the article I'll read it now

I never said women can't have women only spaces i am all for women only spaces

Ah. Then you're a mahoosive transphobe. Who-da-thunk-it?

HTH

Laine, I mentioned the sex offender because that was in the news only last week. Did you miss it? The campaign to move a male, who committed those offences while burgling teenagers' bedrooms, to a women's prison?

How have I blown that out of proportion?

The thing is, if you support the idea that the rights of transgender males outweigh the rights of women and girls, you don't just get to pick the nice ones.

Can someone explain the anger at cis? I have no strong feelings on it, and generally ascribe to let people be.

This is a genuine question, I’m not trying to start an argument.

i just don't see why transgender people can't have their place in this world too

They can, with pleasure. We support that. The problem is that they don't want THEIR places, they want OURS - biological females, for every male-bodied person that claims they identify as female.

That's the crux of the issue, and what we apparently transphobes are worried about.

I never said women can't have women only spaces i am all for women only spaces i just don't see why transgender people can't have their place in this world too without being blamed.

This is how the trans agenda threatens womens rights. Trans identified males (some know these as transwomen) are being given womens rights, despite not being women. With womens rights they are able to use female only areas (not just loos, that these convos come back to. Prisons, hospital wards etc), and even have claim to the word woman!

So basically, those fighting for 'trans rights; are actually fighting to remove the rights of female people to female only areas

A third space option is the answer. Not bullying the world into accepting male people are actually female

There have also already been a few cases of people going to hospitals and such for medical treatments, and being presented with a male person when they have asked for a woman. A case of someone with a fear of men being placed on a 'sex segregated' psychiatric ward with a male person too.

I never said women can't have women only spaces i am all for women only spaces i just don't see why transgender people can't have their place in this world too without being blamed.

Trans Rights Activists are campaigning very vocally for access to female spaces. No one here wants to stop transgender people existing or wishes they any harm. It just isn't anywhere near that simple and women are at harm if they don't have sex-segregated spaces, particularly in places like prisons.

If you are genuinely intetested there is masses of information on mumsnet which will help you get your head around it all. It's daunting with all the acronyms but people are quite willing to explain things for you if you are confused.

There are also a fair few cases of male people being sent to female prisons. Male people with working penises, who have been sent to prison for sex offences against female people..too.

And many cases of male people competing in female sports and taking medals and such due to their biological advantage.