Is "cis" the future ?

[matt1978]

I will admit to being new to the topic and still reading but many threads on here have lead me to further reading. I don't think I've ever bothered with the whole feminist thing until now when I see it being threatened by the trans agenda. Im starting to now feel much more protective about women's rights perhaps it's because I'm older or perhaps in my lifetime there's never been a threat to it ? I'm fearful to say even that for being accused of transphobia and I have no issue at all with anyone living their life as they wish - but I have a daughter and am now fearful for the future - will she have safe women only spaces ? Possibly not. Will she have to call herself a cis woman rather than just a woman ?
I dislike the agenda that you cannot debate or disagree or you're a bigot . It seems so backwards and confusing
I feel ignorant about what's going on out there and would love some insight from better informed posters here .

Could I ask another question please because I've really enjoyed reading all your insight!
Who exactly is behind this extreme movement such as Lily Madigan is part of ? I assume they don't represent the majority of trans people just as Isis don't represent the majority of those who practice Islam for example. Are they just the ones shouting loudest?
So those regular every day trans folk who are just quietly going about their day to day lives - what are their views on all of this ? Do they support or are they against it etc ?
What do THEY really want in terms of rights etc ?
Thanks

I expect they want it all to go away.

About thirteen years ago the idea of the trans umbrella was adopted by some in the LGBT community. They did not realize that would mean that AGPs (autogynephile) and MRAs (Men's Rights Activists) would flock to the LGBT communities and demand a leadership role based on winning the oppression olympics then griped that too much attention was being paid to marriage rights and demanded the evicting of gays and lesbians for refusing to have sexual relations with Trans.
It was astonishing to me how rapidly organizations turned against the people who created them and began to promote kinksters instead.

So bewilderness where does lily madigan and her ilk fit in to this ? Is lily fully transitioned (sorry if I'm using incorrect terms) as in had surgery etc ? What about munroe bergdorf?

And are those such as named above judging of other trans groups with different beliefs etc ?

Thanks just learning and trying to understand how all the players fit

Far as I know Madigan is a fully intact male who simply identifies as trans. The same strategy is being used in politics as has been successful in sports. If they are at a disadvantage competing against men they can now identify as a woman and compete as one.
Some feel that it is unfair to the women who have not used drugs like testosterone to improve their performance to have the rules changed so males cay use hormones and compete as women. In my opinion that is only one of the many ways in which prioritizing males in women's sports and politics is unfair.

matt - you ask a great question: who is behind this? (And who benefits?)

Personally, I don't think it's a coincidence that LM is receiving very strong support from Momentum, the hard left group that is pursuing a particularly nasty agenda against a number of factions in the Labour Party.

In terms of how TRAs view other non-militant trans people, google "tru scum", which is the lovely label that TRAs append to them.

www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/biological-male-dominates-womens-cycling-event-in-historic-first/

These stories of males who self declare and then sweep women's events are becoming commonplace. Meanwhile trans identified females make to news for having babies.

Here are a few more. gendertrender.wordpress.com/category/sports/

"Cis" is nonsense. It's an attempt to shift women to the sidelines of the social category "woman" so that men who "identify" as women can take over, and it's very much part of the backlash against feminism.

OP, we really need the good men who see this for the nonsense that it is and who fear what it means for the women and girls in their lives to back us up on this. Your voice is heard more loudly than ours are, and you're harder to shut up when you put your head above the parapet. So please, speak up, or your daughter will end up with less rights than your grandmother had.

olennas who do they refer too as "true scum"?
More questions if I may! And thank you for your time and patience!
How long has this been going on? Has it been bubbling for years without my noticing ? To me it's only just come to my attention. Perhaps because I'm only around a year into MN which I probably read more than MSM these days.
I just don't see much about it being reported anywhere mainstream. Is that due to the fear of the terf label which creates the pandering, allowing this to grow and grow?
It's not being discussed in my circles in any way. I know that it's not something I'd bring up with friends because you never know if your beliefs differ and again comes the fear of the bigot label. But also - it's not something that has been a topic with my friends. Maybe it should be. I wonder if most of them are as unaware as I have been and perhaps it's my duty to ask them if they are aware of what's happening and how it is a threat ?
After initially posting this the other day and having read many of your replies I spoke to my DH at length about it and he is also is boggled about it although admittedly in a more distant "hmm that's interesting" way !

I've never been someone who is "politicized" or "activist" (for want of better terms) and honestly (don't judge me I know I probably live in a privileged bubble) this may be the first "social" issue I've really felt strongly about in my belly enough to educate myself so fully about.

And the likes of Munroe B at the recent women's march has fucking infuriated me. MN again lead me to her Twitter - her posts smack of narcissism, arrogance, ignorance and they're totally contradictory. And she has a huge platform which is just bonkers.
"Not all women have reproductive systems, not all women have a vagina, not all women's vagina's are pink. Think about your message, use your voice for ALL women. Not just yourself." Bloody hell !!

Forgive me for making sweeping statements but it seems people like MB are part and parcel of the "look at me", "anything for likes and follows" culture of social media that is so prevalent today.
Anyone can literally say anything, create a meme with a true sounding statement or statistic and post it on social media and there's sadly a huge population who believe anything they read online to be true - they share share share - and suddenly it becomes true. "All my social media friends are saying I should think this way and anyone that doesn't is wrong and evil and should be hunted down? Ok then that's what I'll think."

But if you asked most of those people to articulate an argument for their way of thinking (or justify what they are posting about) I believe that many would be unable too because they've done no independent research . They're sheeple but to me what's scary is they're the majority (or so it seems to me).

It's like an Orwellian nightmare/ the crucible come to life

Is it mostly a younger demographic supporting the LM / MB beliefs ? I'm just curious.

Sorry for the rant.

"Truscum" are trans people who experience dysphoria about their bodies and want to change how their bodies look to alleviate it, ie. the group of people who used to be referred to as transsexuals. Lovely term, isn't it? Certainly tells you a lot about the people who use it.

But angry I don't get how the people using this label (as a slur against people who identify the same way that they do?) differentiate themselves from this group (of what seems to me to be the "true" and legit / original group who consider themselves and live as trans ? What makes this new group better and (obviously what they think) "more real"?
I feel like my brain is about to explode !

The "truscum" thing is petulant tantrum throwing combined with an attempt to shift the perception of what "trans" means in a way that allows inclusion of people who under the old system would never have been allowed to transition, imo.

I wish I could say that the "WTF this makes my head hurt" feeling goes away as you learn more but it's quite the opposite. This stuff is absurd.

Some older trans who had the surgery like Snowflake Especial and Miranda Yardley tried to reel in the misogyny from the AGPs. Truscum is the rage response to being told that if you don't have dysphoria your not really a candidate for transition.
It has only blown up in the past ten years or so. Prior to that the LGB were trying to find a compromise with the demands of the T.
Another aspect of what we are seeing with thousands of children suddenly claiming to be trans is the social contagion effect writ large on the interwebs.
Also young girls are calling themselves all manner of asexuals and demisexuals in order to avoid being expected to give blow jobs on the school bus and during lunch break to the pornsick weasels they are surrounded with. It is a rough time to be a teen.

thebewilderness "if you don't have dysphoria your not really a candidate for transition" so where do LM and MB sit in this ? Sorry to keep asking about them specifically but they seem to be representative of TRA (if I'm getting it right)
Do they NOT have dysphoria? How would you categorize them ?
I hope you don't mind all the questions this is something I'm new too and I want to be clear in my understanding of the players and the issues here.
I just can't understand why a subset of the same group who are screaming for inclusivity would be screaming to exclude and alienate another subset of their group (in using "group" just as a collective noun here meaning no disrespect). If trans people are already a minority I don't get why some would want to split that minority further if you see what I mean.
Im trying to put it in perspective- would it be like me being, I dunno, just for want of an example, part of a small minority of red haired welsh women but then getting together with a sub group and us deciding that only red haired welsh women who chose to cut their hair short were the legitimate representatives of this group and those who kept theirs long could fuck off as they're some kind of fakers and not true to the cause ( sorry I realize completely ridiculous example!).

Just been on MBs twitter watching the shit about rose McGowan "shouting down a trans woman". The comments are blowing my mind actually. Rose gets angry at being called "cis" and says "fuck off with your labels" having also said to the other party "we have the same experiences" and calling them "sister". A lot of the comments mention "cis" and "privilege" and many commenters from what I can see are women who are fairly apologetic about their so called "privilege" (that being the privilege of being born with a vagina). I'm not sure how to link but I'll try. It's riling me but I can't respond as use my twitter for my business (there's that fear again!) . It's really fucking scary.
Rose McGowan is trying to make a stand for WOMEN in Hollywood and gets "well we get raped MORE". Isn't that totally missing the point ? It's not a competition and why can't women and trans women both be permitted to speak of their experiences as separate issues, which surely they are ?
The issues and discrimination facing the trans community are surely unique to being trans rather than the separate issues faced by women ? Saying that doesn't invalidate those issues or experiences but it seems that saying so and denying the trans experiences are worse than women's experiences (neither is worse surely they're separate?) makes you transphobic
mobile.twitter.com/munroebergdorf/status/959381612684247041
Apologies for all the posts it appears I've reached "peak trans" today

AGP (autogynephilia) is a fetish. Some men have fetishes about being a baby and some get a boner from masturbating in their daughter's underwear like Jenner. Right now the kinksters are trying to be added to the LGBTQuiltbag as though torture were a sexual orientation.
The answer to your question is that Madigan is an MRA opportunist, in my opinion, like the men who declare themselves women to compete in women's athletics, not a subset of transitioned people, nor do I think fetishists are. They seem to view themselves as failed men and assume wrongly that a failed man is a woman. The medical profession will bear a terrible burden of guilt for promoting this idea.

Gender dysphoria has more in common with anorexia than it does with fetishes like AGP.
Problem is that the LGB let the T in, even though it is not a sexual orientation and the T raised an umbrella that covers anyone who identifies as trans in an effort to convert as many people as possible to the cult.
What we have with the Labour Party and the Olympic committee is a policy that substitutes belief for material reality. S my questin is,
Can you mandate belief?
Can you codify into law the idea that some people can mind over matter themselves out of material reality and into the opposite sex and must be treated accordingly?
It is like transubstantiation. A belief that no one actually believes.
Will you allow people to drug and mutilate children based on this belief that no one believes?
I am kinda all over the place trying to think how to condense the past 13 years into a few paragraphs.

That self declared transgender, Andi, who tried to shout down Rose, is a sexual predator who preys on 12 year old girls at the local ,mall. He is a perfect example of what Labour is promoting and Feminists are screaming about.

There is also the fact that the claim that Trans win the Oppression Olympic is a lie.
The trans identified males who are Black and being prostituted are the ones with the high death rate, though not as high as Native American women.
Trans identified males have a lower risk of being murdered in the US than the average man or woman.
They have repeated these lies so many times it is possible they even believe them by now. In the UK there are more trans identified male perps than there are victims.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2018/02/02/transwoman-who-heckled-rose-mcgowan-is-a-known-sexual-predator-claim-women/

bewilderness I appreciate you helping explain to me even though it's hard over a forum because it's just so broad ! I just don't want to be ignorant anymore to this!
"LGB let the T in, even though it is not a sexual orientation" wow I've never ever considered that fact and it's interesting !

May I ask, without invading your privacy, how you are so knowledgeable on this ?

I will never identify as a vid woman.

Oops cis woman even!

iPhone doesn't get cis either

I am old and have been a feminist for a very long time.