Is "cis" the future ?

[matt1978]

I will admit to being new to the topic and still reading but many threads on here have lead me to further reading. I don't think I've ever bothered with the whole feminist thing until now when I see it being threatened by the trans agenda. Im starting to now feel much more protective about women's rights perhaps it's because I'm older or perhaps in my lifetime there's never been a threat to it ? I'm fearful to say even that for being accused of transphobia and I have no issue at all with anyone living their life as they wish - but I have a daughter and am now fearful for the future - will she have safe women only spaces ? Possibly not. Will she have to call herself a cis woman rather than just a woman ?
I dislike the agenda that you cannot debate or disagree or you're a bigot . It seems so backwards and confusing
I feel ignorant about what's going on out there and would love some insight from better informed posters here .

I feel like some things can be changed to ensure the safety of women and allow transgenders the rights they deserve

Like unisex toilets, safe spaces for biological women and different services/ideas for transsexuals.

Everyone can be who they want and still be happy/safe x

Laine01
But thats what we've been asking for, and why we are called TERF's. Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists.

Trans people don't want a third space, it doesnt validate them. They want us to call them women and let them take on all the roles that women have, including giving smear tests.

Like unisex toilets, safe spaces for biological women and different services/ideas for transsexuals.

But they don't want unisex toilets or different services/ideas - they want WOMENS!

There would be no problem whatsoever if they were happy who have their own spaces!

Honestly i don't see a problem with sharing the same toilets but i know people get worried and feel insecure ect and i understand how that can feel for some people so we need to make a deal with them if others aren't going to accept it, and for the respect they deserve I'm sure they'll come to an agreement x

Also,
Are there any issues other than toilets?

Trans women can still be called and treated like women x

I'm sure they'll come to an agreement

Yeah. Definitely. It's a good job you came along to solve this. Well done. Pop over to Twitter and let Lily know it's all sorted would you?

Since the vast majority of TIMs now appear to be AGP they will never agree to a third space as part of the fetish is being in women only spaces for the (sexual) thrill and/or validation.

Third spaces have been proffered and rejected time and again as a solution because it is "othering", when what is really ment is AGPs can't get their rocks off.

Fuck off with women being used as props in a fetishist's fantasy.

Are there any issues other than toilets?

Seriously?!!!

Prisons, rape crisis centres, homeless shelters, rights to ask for female healthcare practitioners, gym changing rooms, schools changing rooms, to name but a few.

Why is everything got to be segregated by sex or gender or whatever the fuck SJWs call it these days? People are people. Chill.

I can see where you're coming from with prisons and rape crisis shelters but i don't see the problem with any others to be honest, mtf are just as female as anyone else and ftm are just as male as anyone else.

I can understand your insecurities though.

Everyone's opinions are different and i don't consider myself a feminist(i'm more of an equalitist) so i can't ever quite understand your fear or sorrows.
I hope one day we all learn to get along, until then i hope we continue giving the transgenders the respect they deserve and get treated like the women and men they are x

People are people. Chill.

Yet another solve! We're on fire here today people!

mtf are just as female as anyone else and ftm are just as male as anyone else.

If you really think this then why do you also say that you can see why prisons and shelters are an issue.

This is serious cognitive dissonance, you can't have it both ways.

"Yet another solve! We're on fire here today people!"

I'm glad another intelligent, no-nonsense human being agrees!

Have you let the TRAs have your solution yet Laine? I'm super excited to hear their response!

I haven't advanced searched you but I bet you need to be welcomed to mumsnet!

X

Prisons and shelters are different, thats the scum of humanity youre dealing with

Oh c'mon. At least try to stay in character.

Honestly i don't see a problem with sharing the same toilets but i know people get worried and feel insecure

Yeah like silly rape victims and, I don't know, anorexics and Muslims who have been socialised to feel shame about their bodies around men.

Pfft. Screw 'em. Chill, all ye traumatised wimmin.

Please would someone explain what "isomer" means?

'Cus white scum?'

Charming! Reported.

*cis

Sorry, my autocorrect doesn't understand TRA slurs yet

@Ovahere
In my mind i would give transgenders 100% rights to go wherever they want and use whatever they want
But i know women are particularly vulnerable about those types of places and so i agree especially in those circumstances as i also want cis women to feel fairly happy.
It's all about compromise.

Again though i'm not a feminazi myself so can't say to much but i personally believe we can function the same if trans people have the same rights so all i can wish really is that they get all the rights they deserve and nothing else changes.

(and yes i'm done with trying to have a logical and calm discussion)

I just hope what you believe doesn't come true, the world is in a crisis enough as it is just people live what time they have left.

No Cis is not the future. No Men don't get to define Women. No Men don't get to define female.

Yes there are issues the movement is homophobic, misogynistic and racist.

It effects sports, safeguarding, AWS, data, refuges, prisons, guides, consent, toilets, women's ability to organise themselves as a sex class against sexism and probably 101 other things.

HTH x

mtf are just as female as anyone else and ftm are just as male as anyone else.

Can you elaborate please? What makes someone a woman. What makes someone a man?

I can understand your insecurities though.

Patronising, much? They are not insecurities. They are protections for women in a patriarchal world afflicted by epidemic levels of male violence.

All the evidence shows that trans identification has no bearing on crime statistics. Males who are trans are as likely to harm women as males who are not.

These are not our insecurities. These are our sex-based protections and rights, won through decades of hard campaigning and sacrifices by our foresisters and foremothers.

You might want to throw them away for the approval of a few feminine--presenting but misogynistic males. We Do. Not.

(And the x after every post is bloody annoying. Petty? Yes. Sorry? No.)