Is "cis" the future ?

[matt1978]

I will admit to being new to the topic and still reading but many threads on here have lead me to further reading. I don't think I've ever bothered with the whole feminist thing until now when I see it being threatened by the trans agenda. Im starting to now feel much more protective about women's rights perhaps it's because I'm older or perhaps in my lifetime there's never been a threat to it ? I'm fearful to say even that for being accused of transphobia and I have no issue at all with anyone living their life as they wish - but I have a daughter and am now fearful for the future - will she have safe women only spaces ? Possibly not. Will she have to call herself a cis woman rather than just a woman ?
I dislike the agenda that you cannot debate or disagree or you're a bigot . It seems so backwards and confusing
I feel ignorant about what's going on out there and would love some insight from better informed posters here .

I have not had any particular interest in politics or activism until the past few years. I mean I've signed petitions and written the occasional letter to my MP over various issues, and discussed things now and again with friends, but nothing that could be called activism. So I feel a bit guilty for ignoring everything else up till now. Usually I have felt "what can I do" about most issues that concern me - as in, I think the current treatment of disabled people by the government is appalling, but aside from signing petitions that get ignored (and voting) I don't know what I can actually do about it.

But this issue seems to be something that potentially I can do something about - perhaps. It feels like a there is tipping point if the GRA is amended, and awareness raising may have an impact on that. I am also motivated by fear for myself, for all women, particularly for vulnerable women, and for my daughters.

I know toilets are far from the only issue but my children are at the age where they are starting to get a bit more independence. My daughter sometimes visits the ladies loos on her own (at e.g. local library, not at Waterloo Station where 10000000 people go in and out). It's one little step towards independence and growing up. If men are likely to be in those loos I would have to start going in with her again for a few more years. That thought alone fills me with rage. Rage that men would be taking away the right of girls to gaining independence. It's a small thing, but it's not a small thing. What right does a man have to restrict my daughter's life?

Madigan is a MRA opportunist

Couldn’t agree more. I posted a legitimate question on Twitter. Was immediately blocked from his site. He doesn’t want dialogue. I think there are a number of MRA’s, who have decided to jump on the popular TRA movement.

I have become more and more of a feminist as I’ve aged. I thought naively when I was younger that misogyny was dying. I see I was sorely mistaken.

I'm guessing lots of people here may not like South Park but Zapp's post just makes me think of the Snidely Whiplash looking character from the last season whose best line about the delicate wee studenty types was about being forced to confront their greatest enemy...reality.

the delicate wee studenty types was about being forced to confront their greatest enemy...reality

LOL! Quite! The ones that don't continue on to academia to continue to promulgate this crap will get a massive smack in the face when they see how social contructionism flies in the real world. Including in actual leftist circles.

It's hilarious to see people who don't believe that material reality is a thing that exists claiming to be Marxists. Bless. I'd love to be a fly on the wall the first time they meet a real Marxist.

Madigan is a MRA opportunist who needs a good therapist to help him work through his problems with his family and why he feels like a failure as a male (to put it in full)

Olennas
Simply suggesting he needs therapy makes you a TERF

I can't engage with anything Madigan and others of the ilk say any more. It's rather like the feeling when you catch your three year old red handed with the pen in their hand, scribbling on the wall, and they hold the pen and swear blind to you it wasn't them/it was their friend/brother/the cat. There is just no point trying to discuss something rationally with someone not capable of rational discussion.

The questions that come to mind as an adult when these young TRAs talk is:

• ok, they're mostly university students. What was their school experience? Are we looking at the fall out of bullying, or social rejection, behaviour disorders or poor social skills, or unmet mental health needs that caused young adults to end up sucked into this ideology? What do we need to do better for kids?

• Where do these TRAs fit with the current wave of belief in university students that the world revolves around them, nothing and no one is deserving of respect, and if anyone says (or thinks) anything you disagree with then it's appropriate for an adult to respond by shouting abuse and in two cases in the last week, having physical tantrums to silence adult authority figures they wanted to punish and control. #whatthefuckinghellhavewedonetothisgeneration?

• Where do these late transitioning/no gender dysphoria highly politicised angry young men (and it's only the transwomen, we're not getting transmen threatening rape and battery or creating hit lists while being indulged by older adults) fit in the system compared to the other massive group of adult male transitioners for whom it is mostly a sexual fetish or midlife crisis.

Mummy - yeah, I wear that badge with pride. I'm happy to exclude men TRAs from my feminism

Myunicorn - great questions.

I would add that I'm glad (in a way) that university students are activists, because that's always been the way and should always been the way. I'm not old enough to know for certain, but I would imagine that 1960s/70s MN would have had concerns about CND protesters, animal rights and Greenpeace activists, anti-Vietnam protesters etc etc. (The big difference, of course, being that none of these involved an invidious underlying theology nor the outright bullying that TRAs engage in)

So whilst we should absolutely think about what we can do better for our kids, we shoudl also think about the extent to which this is this generation's "thing", and how we help ensure that the permanent damage some individuals are doing to themselves is minimised

I've seen the Gender Trender article about Andi, the heckler. Who is the poster who has contacted the main-steam press recently? Surely this is a story that really needs to be out there.

Brave transwoman heckles evil cis scum is a very different story to Sex offender shouts down rape survivor.

Hi all popping back to say thanks for the lessons! I feel I've got my diploma now having spent a few weeks reading everything I can. In a way I wish I was still ignorant of this as it is so depressing at times although also funny in a scary way what I read !
I tried to talk to my dear elderly Mum about it she looked a bit mind blown so I have a list of articles to email her tomorrow. I plan to convert as many as I can