Lily Madigan, TIM, elected Labour women's officer

[jMillicentFawcett]

Lily is 19. Lily was instrumental in the hate campaign against Anne Ruzylo which resulted in her standing down.

You have to be a woman to be women’s officer but ‘The Labour councillor said that “lived experience as a woman” should be considered an advantage — but not a prerequisite — for the role of women’s officer.’

Lily could also have gone for the LGBT officer role but they didn’t want that. No, they wanted to show women that they can shit all over them and we will applaud them for doing it.

I’m absolutely furious about this ( as you can probably tell)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-teenager-lily-madigan-voted-in-as-a-labour-women-s-officer-mwchkhzq8?shareToken=472df23aa6315582a4f6558d7a1be5ba

Whatsit you're right I don't have an immediate family member who is trans, however ALL my teenage children know several pansexual/gender fluid/non binary/trans classmates. This suggests to me that rather than being incredibly rare it's a social phenomenon.

There is absolutely no shame in being trans and I'm sure all decent people wish that you and your child live in peace. However laws which impact on others rights should not be made in favour of a vanishingly small section of society, especially when these same laws could restrict your child's access to support and help.

Whatsitallabout70
There isn't anything wrong with being Trans - it's the activities of misogynistic activists who are using the movement for their own ends that's the problem. Just as you and your family need support and respect, so women who raise concerns about some of the unintended and negative consequences on women (sport, rape crisis centres, prisons) are entitled to have their views listened to and respected rather than being threatened and bullied.
It's great that you're at the Tavistock as your child will get the most sympathetic and informed support.

Whatsitallabout70 - radical feminism celebrates gender nonconformity. Nobody here would even dream of suggesting your child should not express themselves as they choose and be protected from discrimination for doing so. I haven't seen anybody here suggesting that dysphoric adults shouldn't be able to medically or surgically transition if that can alleviate their dysphoria.

But this thread isn't about your child. This thread is about an immature male adolescent with a very short transgender identity and a history of misogynist behaviour being elected to a political post advocating for women, who are an oppressed class in law, and being supported by other politicians in applying to women-only scholarships.

Your child and its wellbeing really has nothing to do with the topic at hand and it is disingenuous of you to conflate people posting about it with ill wishing to your child.

But if, as a society, we accepted that there was no shame in being trans and it was acceptable a way of expressing your humanity as any other, would that be so bad?

Not at all. I'm quite happy for men and women to wear what they want and live the lives they want as long as that doesn't have a negative impact on anyone. You get one life and everyone deserves to be happy and live without discrimination. Havng a 19 year old TIM taking a woman's role, losing female safe spaces and lesbians being told that they're bigots if they don't accept having sex with a penis - all are extremely worrying and have the potential to do harm.

.. and that all these kids really need is a good talking to and everything will be ok. As a parent of one of these children I can assure that nothing is that simple.

It’s obviously not about giving children a good talking to! We’re not talking about nicking the family’s vodka and getting drunk in the park.

No one is suggesting that.

But, if we could rewind and dismantle gender, no child would come out as trans.

They, you and us are stuck in the here and now. We want to do it stop it from happening in the future, to further children.

We are seeing the Tavistock now and their own figure is 25 percent and there are numerous reasons why that might be.

I haven’t heard this. Can you point me in the direction where I can find out more?

I should imagine statistics are incredibly hard to acquire. Many of us have gender non conforming children who never even get as far as a clinic.

Others will be missed, and assert their gender identity/confusion as they become adults.

whats, there are people on here who are trans, women who are married to transwomen, parents of trans children.

I realise this must feel like a hostile place to you. I’m sorry that it does. And I can understand why.

I wish you could separate the various strands out.

But I get by you don’t.

There is no ‘birth gender’ though - there is the sex one is born and the gender norms which are then imposed by society, as a result of historical and current assumptions about the nature of one sex or the other. Thus one is born male or female; the traits which are seen as masculine or feminine are cultural, not innate.

So body dysphoria with one’s sexed body, I can understand why changing one’s body would alleviate that. But if gender is an external, social construct, surely the social construct needs challenged, not the sexed body.

It’s true, I have rather hijacked this thread for my own issues as a parent of a trans child, it’s just that I am very vulnerable to hate directed at a person purely for being trans and there was a lot of that at the start of this thread.

No-one is directing hate Whats, we have deep concern about the abilities of a 19 year old male, having the knowledge, understanding and compassion to represent women's issues.

I truly hope that you and your family get the support that you need. PPs have sign posted some excellent websites that can offer grounded help.

Definitely ensure your child listens to advice from Tavistock gender identity clinic and not the advice from trans activists on the internet

And most definitely not mermaids. Marmaids are nothing but a pressure group.

hate directed at a person purely for being trans

That's rather a mis-representation - there's dismay and anger at someone being promoted into an office for which they are entirely unqualified, disgust at some of the things found on old twitter accounts (whilst understanding that teenage males do that kind of thing - we're mothers and women after all).

No-one's saying transperson == bad person - we're saying trans person == not qualified for the role, and has hounded someone who is extremely qualified out of a similar role, and that that doesn't seem right.

But if, as a society, we accepted that there was no shame in being trans and it was acceptable a way of expressing your humanity as any other, would that be so bad?

I don't think anyone would argue that there is shame in being trans. More that being trans does not actually make you the opposite sex, no matter how much you may wish it.

I don't think we can assume that anyone is correct. Do what's best for your child

Woah, I thought Mumsnet would be place where women (who all have children, some of them possibly trans or non-binary) would be accepting of others. I'm shocked to hear mothers shouting out so much hate to a young trans woman for standing up for herself. She has a different lived experience to most of us, and is much younger, but you all seem to be afraid of something that has nothing to do with her gender orientation or desire to get involved. This girl has done you no harm. Your hate is terrifying.

Welcome to mumsnet Janeymac75
Maybe have a read of the thread?

Janey have my first ever

‘it’s just that I am very vulnerable to hate directed at a person purely for being trans ‘

I don’t see any hate directed at someone purely for being trans.
The vast majority of people on this thread support trans people, they just don’t think that being trans is the same as being a biological woman.
It’s not random hate for the crime of being trans, it’s a deep frustration that there is yet another fucking costume for misogyny to wear.
It’s not about individual trans people, it’s about a structural system that has once again managed to allow biological males to silence and take the spaces of biological females.

Trans people need support, we will fight alongside them, but we can’t roll over and let them take biological females places.

How can you fight the patriarchal oppression that women face because of their reproductive systems if you aren’t legally allowed to name it??

janey

Oh Janey! The Mothers! Of all the people! To not support a young, beautiful trans girl live out her dream! It truly is that simple! The literal violence!

No one on here has shown hate for Lily (concern in many cases in fact) or trans people. They have shown deep concern at the erosion of women's spaces, the shutting down of debate and the erasure of "women" as a discrete class of humans.

No one on here has shown hate for Lily

Oh yes they have! Read the first 2 pages.

"horrid wee bastard"
"little weasel"
etc.

Surely you can see how this thread reads pretty nasty in places.

Your naivety is terrifying janey. A male is not a woman. Why is this considered a radical view these days?

I don't think highly of Lily, due to Lilys own views that Lily has put out there for all to see. Nothing to do with him being trans. Though my objection to him being womans officer is because he is male. SO I guess that could maybe be twisted into 'trans hatred' if you tried hard enough and refused to given your own definition of 'woman' which includes male people.

And I have 2 'nin-binry' children, along with being 'non-binary' myself. None of us re walking stereotypes you see. My boy likes playing with dolls and sometimes putting on princess dresses. My daughter rarely wears dresses and prefers playing with trucks and getting dirty. Myself..I am a mix of 'feminine and masculine' interests and clothing sense. Like near 100% of the population tbh.

I don’t think that’s because he is trans and more because he has acted in a weaselly and bastard like way when he bullied a woman out of her role.
He also acted in a weaselly way when he pretended that he wasn’t applying for the Jo Cox award and that Lucy Bannerman was lying when their was evidence that he was, he also acted in a weaselly way when he pretended that his brother had set up that twitter account.

You can call a trans person a bastard and it be because they are trans.