Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

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heresyandwitchcraft · 12/10/2018 23:50

If you cannot grasp the significance of wanting a single sex environment when you are naked, being examined intimately, or incarcerated, then God help you. I cannot believe you would compare such situations to going to the cinema or freely mixing in public spaces where everyone is fully clothed.

FloralBunting · 12/10/2018 23:51

I identify as a Victorian German U-boat with Victorian values and I shall be sending my children up the chimneys forthwith.

Yes, I have known transsexuals, and I have trans identifying child. And I still put women at the centre of feminism. Which is mean and transphobic of me, and I don't care.

Feminist4 · 12/10/2018 23:52

Who said you were their mum? They would hate to have you as their mum! How would you cope with a transgender child? How would they cope with you? No you clearly don’t care about others in society.

heresyandwitchcraft · 12/10/2018 23:53

Has anyone called out Bingo yet?

FloralBunting · 12/10/2018 23:53

Oops. feminist4 posted before reading my previous post I think. Rant fail to add to the flail.

RedDogsBeg · 12/10/2018 23:54

You are just getting hyperbolic now. A huge number of men aren't sex offenders we don't let them into female spaces.

Female spaces for females.

Feminist4 · 12/10/2018 23:54

Is your child a transgender woman?

Feminist4 · 12/10/2018 23:55

Transgender women identify as females and should be valued as such

LemonJello · 12/10/2018 23:55

I don’t think a child can be a woman but who knows these days 😂

LemonJello · 12/10/2018 23:56

How are females valued then?

RedDogsBeg · 12/10/2018 23:56

And we are back where we started....

You cannot identify as female.

heresyandwitchcraft · 12/10/2018 23:56

Are you actually a feminist? Because you seem very confused as to what female means, and who should be centered in feminism....

FloralBunting · 12/10/2018 23:57

Is my child a transgender woman? Question to enjoy on a Friday night with a glass of something warming.

heresyandwitchcraft · 12/10/2018 23:57

But by all means, keep arguing about these basic principles. You'll just bump the thread.

FloralBunting · 12/10/2018 23:58

Feminist4 identifies as a feminist by having the word in their username. Any suggestion that they should actually be a feminist and have feminist ideas is entirely trans-feminist-phobic and essentialist.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 12/10/2018 23:58

You expect women to do the emotional labour of fixing everything for those poor vulnerable transwomen. You sexistly expect women to be nice and caring and just budge over to make space for those wee lambs. I do enough emotional labour in my life. Grown ass adults can do their own.

Every time they ignore womens' No I care a little less.

Your attempt to double down on the guilt tripping is weak. 1/5.

heresyandwitchcraft · 12/10/2018 23:59

Floral LOL!

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:00

You are very uncaring. You sound like a member of the EDL. Of course your child isn’t a transgender female. Because you wouldn’t think like this if she were.

LemonJello · 13/10/2018 00:01

But is she a transgender woman though? That wa the question.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:01

I care about others. How hard is it? I’m a woman and not some helpless little lamb that needs to exclude other vulnerable groups for my own protection.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 13/10/2018 00:02

Transgender women identify as females and should be valued as such

Why should they be valued as such? Really, I'm serious. Why? They should be valued as a person, like everyone else. Why does society have to 'value' their subjective internal feeling about themselves? What do you mean by value exactly?

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:03

Is who a transgender woman? The trans identifying child? Clearly not- because the views of the mother would be different.

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:04

The EDL? You've made my night you silly, silly sod. Although I did shave my head at one point, so there is that.

Doesn't suit the crinolines, though.

heresyandwitchcraft · 13/10/2018 00:04

How dare you identifiesasFeminist4? You're behaving like a judgmental, sanctimonious prick. You know nothing about anyone's family or what they have been through. You are doing precisely the thing you accuse us of by dismissing and smearing women.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:04

Oh, God made us this way so that’s how it has to be?

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