Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

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ALittleBitofVitriol · 13/10/2018 00:06

Yeah, I tend to not care about centering boundary pushing people, from the sex class that perpetrates 98% of sexual assaults, in my feminism. shrug

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:06

What? Where did 'God made us this way' come from?

LemonJello · 13/10/2018 00:08

I’m interested in how the views of a mother can turn a child into a woman. Let’s talk about that a bit more 😂

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:09

How can I be sneering at women? I sneer at transphobic women though. How can you feel this is the answer to female safety? I understand not wanting a man to do your smear test but I don’t think a transgender woman is a man.

heresyandwitchcraft · 13/10/2018 00:11

The "born this way" narrative has been used by LGBTQ+ people themselves....
Try harder.

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:13

Sneer away honey. I've actually got a mild stitch from laughing so much and one of my kids told me to pipe down.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:16

Er No! Why do I need to try harder? You seem to be the ones who can’t accept transgender women. You talk about ‘what you have been through’ but I suspect it wasn’t caused by transgender women.

Datun · 13/10/2018 00:17

Why is feminist4 so desperate to find out if someone's child is male or female? So they can decide which one to care about?

Materialist · 13/10/2018 00:18

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heresyandwitchcraft · 13/10/2018 00:18

I understand not wanting a man to do your smear test but I don’t think a transgender woman is a man.

No transgender woman will need a smear test. None of them will have a cervix. Trans women are all male. (In actual fact, most of them are sexually attracted to women, have a penis, and many may look like a man). They also do not have the lived experience that I would find reassuring when asking for a female practitioner to do the procedure.

LemonJello · 13/10/2018 00:19

I understand not wanting a man to do your smear test but I don’t think a transgender woman is a man.

We all do think they are men. So we don’t want them to do our smear tests. Why do you think you have the right to tell women who they should accept to touch their genitals?

Annandale · 13/10/2018 00:19

Yes but i do think a transwoman is a man. As it happens i dont care if a man does my smear test. Some women do think a transwoman is a man AND they dont want a man doing their smear test. How do we manage that situation? I believe thete's a rule of thumb we can use - stop saying people can change sex. I can have my smear done by anyone and my fellow patient who wants a woman to be the one asking her to drop her knees open and take a large metal instrument up the vagina can have that too. All of a sudden there is no problem.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:20

I’m not. Poor lamb. I was just making sure the child wasn’t a transgender girl who might find it difficult to have s mother who wanted to exclude her from women By ‘safe spaces’. Because that would mes her up

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:21

Excuse the typos.

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2018 00:22

You talk about ‘what you have been through’ but I suspect it wasn’t caused by transgender women.

Not a member of that specific group of males maybe. But it's likely, as it was certainly the case for me, that it was caused by a male.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:22

I don’t think a transgender woman is a man

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:22

Yes. It transphobic to decide who gets to touch your genitals. Cf. Cotton ceiling.

LemonJello · 13/10/2018 00:23

This is going to blow your mind.

I would rather have a man do my smear test than a transwoman.

See this thread for why.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3275325-Can-we-be-honest-about-the-need-for-affirmation

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:23

I do have a transgender daughter. Yes it was hard to accept at first. I also have 2 other daughters. I have 3 daughters.

Hyppolyta · 13/10/2018 00:24

Feminist how do you know the difference between a transwoman amd a man?

Thats the million dollar question no one can answer.

If its self ID, do you believe Karen White is a woman because he says he is?

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:24

Feminist4, chick, don't bother your head about my child. Their welfare is entirely my business and entirely not yours. Which is a relief to all sensible people as you clearly can't tell your arse from your elbow.

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:26

Of course you do. Lots of trans friends, a transwoman daughter that just popped up from nowhere, and fairies at the bottom of your garden.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:26

Floralbunting, verbal abuse is never the answer

Datun · 13/10/2018 00:27

Feminist4

Very many tw are AGP, who fetishise women's biology and simulate menstruation And lactation (blame Stonewall for widening the definition).

I absolutely do not want them doing my smear test.

Is that ok with you?

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:27

I do. And that is why I think I know better than you.

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