Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

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Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 19:19

My daughter's feelings are as important as my feelings. I have never said they are more important that your 'biologically born women's' feelings. Don't put words into my mouth. Education is needed to show these alleged vulnerable biological women who fear transgender women that they are not a threat. Violent and abusive men, women and transgender men and women are a threat. That is a different issue.

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 19:21

Tell that to Karen Whites victims.

SophoclesTheFox · 14/10/2018 19:21

As for 'locked up' I was referring to your desire to lock up transgender women with men rather than women so women could be safe and also your notion of safe spaces. Your vitriol and mockery was such that I was just putting the idea that you could be locked up away from any male threat or go and live on your true born 'women only' island. That way you could avoid all those unpleasant nasty people who might attack you.

My vitriol and mockery? When was that, then?

Thanks for clarifying your remark about who should be locked away and why, though. Good to know that we've now covered the "Look what you made me do" portion of the argument.

You care not one whit for women and girls.

Own it.

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 19:25

Don't dare to say who I care about Sophoclesnot. Here we go LemonJello with the whole Karen White argument again, yawn.

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 19:27

Got nothing to counter that one do you? So you pretend to be bored. By sexual assault.

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 19:28

Tell me more about the tactics you want to use. I mentioned we had violence and bomb threats already, what else do you think would be effective in your effort to ‘educate’ me?

vesuvia · 14/10/2018 19:29

"Two years on hormones and she is very decidedly more female"

Males who take female hormones remain as male as they were before they started taking the hormones. They will forever be as male as males who do not take female hormones. Taking hormones does not change a person's sex.

It is worrying that a parent of someone who is taking female hormones does not understand this biological fact.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 14/10/2018 19:29

Christ im tempted to report that yawn!

But im not a twat...

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 19:31

So the Suffragettes were wrong were they? Lemon Jello. Of course I can counter it LemonJello. Karen White is a violent criminal. Rose West is a violent criminal, so lets ban all women from women only spaces too, shall we?

Hyppolyta · 14/10/2018 19:32

Everytime I see a male referred to as "woman" I want to shout "fuck off you gaslighting bastards".

I am so so sick of men lying to get what they want, at our expense. Does anyone else get that wound up about it, or just me?

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 19:32

I didn’t say they were wrong. I asked what other methods you think would work to educate me.

Education is needed

That’s what you said. So educate me then. So far nothing you have said has changed my mind, not even slightly. So what else can you try? What else would you like to try?

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 19:35

What suffragette tactics do you think will work on us? To accept males in our spaces? How will you educate me into that?

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 19:35

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LemonJello · 14/10/2018 19:36

Didn’t work. Try again.

Hyppolyta · 14/10/2018 19:37

So anyone who knows the difference between males and females is now a Nazi.

femininst, u ok hun? I think you might need to step away from the keyboard for a bit

nottakingthisanymore · 14/10/2018 19:37

Lets abandon all single sex provision then shall we?

Can you not even agree that males are much more violent than females, that men are much more likely to sexually assault someone?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 14/10/2018 19:37

So the Suffragettes were wrong were they?

You think its ok to bomb people?

I may have misunderstood this bit so apologies if so

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 19:38

(Just FYI using the Nazis in your arguments is generally a sign you are losing.)

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 19:38

Come on! Educate me!

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 14/10/2018 19:39

hypp

To be fair she also said that a poster sounds like god

So thats a positive

Unless you don't believe in god of course

MonsterSister · 14/10/2018 19:41

convince people that Jewish people were 'different' biologically

A whole different chromosome IS a difference though. It just is. At least, it is if the words 'chromosome' and 'different' are still allowed to mean what they used to.

howlsmovingcastle84 · 14/10/2018 19:43

Feminist4
Would you be happy with a fully intact male sharing a space with your daughter such as a rape crisis center simply because that male had self-id themselves as a woman?

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 19:43

SophoclesTheFox · 14/10/2018 19:44

Don't dare to say who I care about Sophoclesnot

No, I will leave that up to you. Your posts are extremely clear on who you care about.

It took you a while to get to Godwin's law and call us Nazis though. But there you are now.

SophoclesTheFox · 14/10/2018 19:45

You're very patient, lemon!

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