Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

[WombOfOnesOwn]

This year, the number of murderers who are transgender is higher in the UK than the number of murder victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156440/Transgender-woman-boyfriend-murdered-flatmate.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4997224/Father-two-stabbed-death-transgender-woman.html

And then there's attempted murders and current murderers declaring themselves trans while behind bars:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jailed-killer-who-chopped-testicles-9882176

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-murderer-moved-womens-prison-9770465

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-woman-accused-trying-murder-9569383

www.thesun.co.uk/news/2193637/transgender-female-running-champ-to-be-detained-in-hospital-after-trying-to-murder-top-uk-athletics-official/

Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

F4 Your stepchild is male. They may be transgender, but they will never be female. It’s not biologically possible.

What rights do you feel the need to fight for? I expect I'd back you on many, but not any 'rights' that involve undermining or eradicating the right to categorise people as being male or female. Doing so would have a very negative impact on women and transwomen.
To lead a healthy life trans people need to come to terms with their natal sex, regardless of whether they undergo physical treatment or not.

I disagree with you Fearandsurprise. Yours isn't the only opinion. And opinion is what it is.

Feminist a woman is not a male who take hormones.

A woman is a human adult female. That isnt opinion, its fact.

If your child wants a word to describe his gender he can make up any word he wants, but he isnt having ours.

No male is a woman.

Feminist4 you think its biologically possible for a human to change sex??

Sorry, but nope.

Of course it's not implausible to me; it's quite clear that you're happy to ride roughshod over the rights of (actual) women to protect your precious son. How very feminist of you!

Stop falling for the goads, everyone.

It's perfectly clear 4 is not here in good faith and any assertions they make may - but also may not - reflect the reality of their life.

Just let them rant and think of positive, productive, contributions you can make to other threads instead.

How is allowing my daughter into a women's safe space bad for her? Please elaborate. Please explain the problem in letting her in for women? I think I am the only tolerant person here. I'm tired of the 'biology argument'. What about fish that have changed sex as a result of hormones in the water? Biology is determined by hormones.

Fish are fish, feminist.

Your child is male and can not be a woman or a fish.

They do not belong in womens spaces or aquariums.

But can you identify as a fish?

I suppose Mermaids would say its possible

You dismiss all my arguments out of hand without providing any effective counter argument apart from 'Biology' and genitalia. Who are you to decide? You have conveniently attached it to women's survival in a hostile aggressive male world, as if transgendered women are a threat, which is transphobic. Would intersex people be allowed into your safe space or do you exclude them too?

Is Marting Ponting a threat?
Davina Ayrton?
Ian Huntley?
Karen White?

All males who call themselves transwomen.

Transwomen can be a threat to females, so they are excluded from female spaces. NAMALT, or NATWALT, obviously, but enough that males are not welcome in female spaces.

Women on this thread have repeatedly said no to sharing spaces with your male child

Over and over and over.
No means no.

Do you understand?

So people born with male and female genitalia would be excluded too even if they had been brought up as a girl?

Sounds like in your ideal world we would have eugenics to ensure there were no anomalies in the human race. Pure male and female only permitted. The rest have to go and live in limbo land - a kind of purgatory where they can't be accepted as it doesn't fit into your box.

Please, m'dears, don't engage any further.

If your male child didn't identify as trans but was still your gentlest child and all that, and identified with he/him pronouns, would you see why women would object to sharing spaces with him? That even though he was a nice man, in this hypothetical, they still wouldn't want him even if he specifically wasn't threatening?

What about fish that have changed sex as a result of hormones in the water?

Try breathing underwater, then come back and tell us all the other amazing things you think humans can do just because fish do.

People with intersex conditions still have a sex, and its male or female.

Its intresting you mention eugenics though, its deeply disturbing how young some children are when they are being sterilised.

I was/ am non gender conforming, and as an 80s child it was acceptable. I think the children being sterilised now are the next great scandal, and there are going to be an awful lot of lawsuits flying around.

Nor do I blame them, the brain is not fully mature until mid 20s, these children should not be making such huge decisions.

Sounds like in your ideal world we would have eugenics to ensure there were no anomalies in the human race. Pure male and female only permitted.

It’s not us sterilising kids. Interesting use of the word ‘anomalies’ though. You think transpeople are devient or abnormal?

So people born with male and female genitalia would be excluded too even if they had been brought up as a girl

You're presumably as ignorant about disorders of sexual development as you are about everything else you claim, 4. The intersex community has repeatedly asked that trans apologists not try to use them as a gotcha. Fish have made no complaints as yet. But people are not fish. Human beings can't change sex, nor is there a 3rd sex.

Wombofonesown, my male child would obviously be male. Nobody knows why transgender women or men feel this way, but the drive is primal to change gender. There are many very gentle, feminine, gay men who have no urge to transition. It is a very different drive. My daughter was not in the least bit feminine. It is extraordinary and shocked us when she told us. But now I have no doubt that it is not a phase. I know that she would be deeply unhappy to have to live as a man. Two years on hormones and she is very decidedly more female and so much happier.

And you are using this argument Pawn, to dismiss the question without answering it. I assume they are accepted as they have female genitalia, then. So then penis isn't a problem.