Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

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Trousered · 14/10/2018 14:00

Oh why oh why oh why won't you just pretend baby brains are born in the wrong baby body sometimes and if a boy is gentle then he's a girl and other girls have to be nice to the boy girls or you will be making bad men kill and rape them and they will all die. If you are nice all the bad men will like you and will come and shower and change with you and be lovely to you.

People with this level of grasp on reality are actually pushing through laws?

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 14:03

Why oh why won't you see that there is a difference between being gentle and being a girl that is neuroligsl and not about genitalia. Transgender people are surely better able to understand this.

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 14:06

Transgender women don't just want to dress as women for fun. It's much more deep routed than that.

Hyppolyta · 14/10/2018 14:18

How do you dress/ act/ live as a woman anyway?

I hate those phrases its such sexist crap. Whatever a woman does is how a woman does it... and same for men. A man cant live as a woman, its utter rubbish.

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 14:20

That's because you don't understand.

Hyppolyta · 14/10/2018 14:21

Understand what?

Thats its perfectly fine for a man to wear dresses and makeup, or fpr women can vote and hold important jobs, without changing sex?

Then explain.
What way do women live, that men dont?

Trousered · 14/10/2018 14:29

I recommend this video for anyone despairing of the sanity of the nation.

Fionne and Miranda are the antidote to the manipulative shite that's on tonight on ITV.

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 14:36

Your assertion that transgender women are men in dresses is so transist. If a transgender man enters a female safe space and frightens a girl, who feels threatened, Is that alright then?

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 14:40

Feminist4

Transgender women don't just want to dress as women for fun.

Also Feminist4

Your assertion that transgender women are men in dresses is so transist.

😂😂😂

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 14:41

But seriously it’s great that you recognise that transwomen are simply dressing as women and they are not actually women. Progress! 👍

Hyppolyta · 14/10/2018 14:41

Why on earth would a transman scare a girl?

Transmen are female.

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 14:45

Because a transgender man looks like a man. Lemon Jello You are wrong, I am saying the opposite.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 14/10/2018 14:48

I agree with FloralBunting
@MNHQ
I'll report my post now.

This is just tedious now.
Thanks for putting the delusional narcissistic rage on display nice and clear 4, very helpful.

Hyppolyta · 14/10/2018 14:48

How does a transman look like a man?

Short hair, facial hair, wearing pants? That sounds like a lot of women.

Secondly, we dont allocate spaces on what people look like. Its what sex they are.

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 15:02

No you’re not. You said

Transgender women don't just want to dress as women for fun.

Your true opinions are right there for everyone to see. They want to dress as women rather than they are women.

Might I be the first to welcome you to the dark side? Lots of people would call you a bigot for that but you’re among friends here

littlbrowndog · 14/10/2018 15:06

Who is doing the evening shift on this thread?
Lemon you have done well on the afternoon shift
Here’s a 🍺

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 15:12

Aw thanks for the beer! But it’s not like this is hard work, after all it’s always a pleasure to welcome another sister into the fold!

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 15:16

Why would a transwoman scare a girl?

madvixen · 14/10/2018 15:18

I've run out of popcorn so I'm going to engage. Feminist4, under the Trans Umbrella, cross dressers (men who want to wear a dress for fun) are classified exactly the same as dysphoric transsexuals.

Many women have accepted dysphoric transsexuals into women only spaces for decades. We are now being told to expand that acceptance to include people who fetishise femininity or who get sexual pleasure from wearing women's clothing. THIS is why I am angry, THIS is why I am against self ID! The expansion of the trans umbrella has meant that people have to pick a side. You either accept that anyone can be a woman or you don't. There is no longer any middle ground. This is not an argument that women created. It was forced upon us by the people who decided to expand the definition of trans.

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 15:26

I understand the self - ID issue, what I argue against is my daughter, who has been diagnosed and is on female hormones (has breasts) and is awaiting surgery and has formally changed her identity is being called a man by many posters here.

nottakingthisanymore · 14/10/2018 15:29

Hmmm now why might my daughter not want to get changed next to Danielle Muscato........

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 15:29

You can sleep in my palm tree shelter on the island Feminist4! We can be bivouac mates! Yay!

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 15:29

Tell me. Why not?

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 15:30

Without mentioning individuals

LemonJello · 14/10/2018 15:32

I understand the self - ID issue

I knew you would get there!

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