Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

[WombOfOnesOwn]

This year, the number of murderers who are transgender is higher in the UK than the number of murder victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156440/Transgender-woman-boyfriend-murdered-flatmate.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4997224/Father-two-stabbed-death-transgender-woman.html

And then there's attempted murders and current murderers declaring themselves trans while behind bars:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jailed-killer-who-chopped-testicles-9882176

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-murderer-moved-womens-prison-9770465

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-woman-accused-trying-murder-9569383

www.thesun.co.uk/news/2193637/transgender-female-running-champ-to-be-detained-in-hospital-after-trying-to-murder-top-uk-athletics-official/

Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

Tell that to my transgender daughter who was bullied at school for being different and raped.

The fact you ended that sentence with ‘raped’ rather than lead with it makes me suspect it isn’t true.

Oh, FFS. I, for one, do not believe a word this person says. MNHQ should not allow such vile, unstable, vicious people to continue to post - regardless of what political position they take with regards to trans issues.

I've never been in a men only drinking club, have you?

Women braying? That is clearly failing to conform to gender stereotypes and must be stopped!

It always comes back to an obsession with "feminine" behaviors with people that believe in female men. Without fail.

It is the type of behaviour I deplore. That 'I'm in a club that is exclusive' superior and condescending attitude.

Womanhood IS an exclusive club. For, you know, women.

That was me braying like a man
Still doing it

Oh, FFS. I, for one, do not believe a word this person says.

Me neither. They’ve gone from ‘I am what I think I am’ - which is clearly something a trans person would say, not a natal woman, to the parent of a trans-child who has now aged into adulthood (‘my daughter is not a man’) since this thread began.

This latter part is the only part of their argument I can accept because this conversation has put years on me too.

The rape of a child becomes a ‘gotcha’ on page 22 of the thread. Despicable.

You say all genders need protecting, and I agree, yes they do.

So why oh god why do you see removing all safegaurding fpr females as a way of protecting gender?

When your child enters a womens space, they are not in a gendered space, are they?

If this is your argument then campaign for gendered spaces

Stop trying to remove our sex segregated spaces. Because that dpes not protwct genders, not will it help your child.

It just removes all safegaurding for females who, by the way, get raped far more commonly than any other group. By transwomen, as well as men.

You don’t care about how your safe spaces harm others - which they do.

Our safe spaces harm no-one.

Safe spaces for women are safe spaces for women allowing anyone who thinks they are a woman into those spaces renders them no longer safe spaces.

If TW feel they need safe spaces why don't they lobby for their own separate safe spaces? As this is the cause of the day I can guarantee they would be provided with those spaces far quicker than women or disabled people were provided with spaces - for which women and disabled people had to fight tooth and nail and in a number of cases fund themselves.

You can then have spaces which include all those who think they are women which of course will include the Karen Whites of this world. No doubt you will say you don't want Karen White in a space with your transgender daughter but if you believe anyone is who they think they are then that is what you have to accept.

It is the type of behaviour I deplore. That 'I'm in a club that is exclusive' superior and condescending attitude.

Why do TRAs always claim that excluding men from women spaces means the women think they are superior.

It's such a revealing comment.

Oh, FFS. I, for one, do not believe a word this person says.

Add me to that list. Not one word.

I don't believe it's true, for a minute. When I helpfully provided some reassuring links, this poster dismissed them out of hand and was very cross with me for providing them in the first place.

This person can't stand women and contradicts themself every five seconds, because the thrust of their argument is STFU.

It certainly is Datun, didn't see many men clammering to be part of the 'exclusive' woman club when women couldn't vote, have a bank account, get credit, own property, be paid less, etc., etc.

Course they didn't RedDogsBeg. And they don't want to be part of the actual woman's club now. They want to dominate the women in that club. For their own gains and validation.

I am increasingly coming to the belief that this thread is wank fodder for the poster in question.

Indeed they do, Datun, from everything to the language used to the submissive behaviour demanded.

Disrespectful The poster is talking about a stepchild, who, from their description, seems to have AGP. Maybe they have it themselves.

I'm requesting that @MNHQ lock this thread, not hide it or delete it. The information posted at the front is useful, but the frankly offensive posts from Feminist4 are highly suspect and upsetting for those of us who have a touch more credibility around some of the issues being used as cheap gotchas here.

@MNHQ, please step up on this one. It's goadier than an insane Billy goat, and it seems to be for the purpose of making the thread disappear. I'm asking nicely, don't play into the hands of someone like this.

I'd agree with that Floral, the Feminist4 poster is not posting in good faith as evidenced by other old threads they are bumping.

I think the whole final section needs zapping to be honest - but yes - keep the thread.

Yes, lock the thread. But keep it. The last section is textbook argument. Every last bit of it.

Which is the whole point.

Ow date you say you don't believe what I say. I'm entirely consistent as the mother of a transgender daughter. It is having threads that imply transgender women are a danger rather than in danger which is so destructive. Lock this thread so you only hear the voice of people who agree with you. The suffragettes would be ashamed of you.

How dare, I mean.