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Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

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WombOfOnesOwn · 20/10/2017 01:59

This year, the number of murderers who are transgender is higher in the UK than the number of murder victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156440/Transgender-woman-boyfriend-murdered-flatmate.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4997224/Father-two-stabbed-death-transgender-woman.html

And then there's attempted murders and current murderers declaring themselves trans while behind bars:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jailed-killer-who-chopped-testicles-9882176

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-murderer-moved-womens-prison-9770465

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-woman-accused-trying-murder-9569383

www.thesun.co.uk/news/2193637/transgender-female-running-champ-to-be-detained-in-hospital-after-trying-to-murder-top-uk-athletics-official/

Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

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Datun · 14/10/2018 10:24

I am my brain’s perception of who I am

Don't be silly.

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2018 10:31

Will starve from this point on but can I just post a link to this excellent well argued and researched thread that I was searching for the other day and have just found. Also further down some furry fuckwit tries to "debunk" his analysis and the guy comes back and demolishes the furry.

twitter.com/AdrianLSullivan/status/1025472694895169537?s=20

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2018 10:32

It has all the key stats re trans murder rates. So in the absence of any other evidence from dissenting posters here, it stands, and the argument is over.

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 10:32

Are you a neurologist?

nottakingthisanymore · 14/10/2018 10:34

How can anyone be a perception of something?

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 10:35

That is a high number of transgender murder victims.

Fearandsurprise · 14/10/2018 10:37

F4 So, I get that you believe your brain controls your body.
So what things are the same for both women (born female) and transwomen?

Hyppolyta · 14/10/2018 10:37

Feminist the brain of an anorexic will tell them they are fat while they are dangerously underweight.

Are they fat, or is their brain wrong?

Likewise a brain that tells a male they are a woman doesnt make them a woman, anymore than it makes the anorexic fat. The brain is wrong.

AspieAndProud · 14/10/2018 10:37

Are you a neurologist?

I identify as one on Thursdays.

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 10:37

I think therefore I am. It is the confines and definitions established by society that have limited my freedom to define myself in the way I wish.

AspieAndProud · 14/10/2018 10:38

The brain is quite often wrong. We have entire fields of psychology devoted to this fact.

FermatsTheorem · 14/10/2018 10:39

Blimey, a certain poster is now coming across as increasingly unhinged. I think I prefer my fantasy about a sentient aston martin projecting James Bond out of its bucket seats when he makes one sexist remark too many. Has a greater connection to reality too.

Actually, there's a bit of me finding the increasing unhinged-ness quite amusing. [Bad Fermat. Very bad Fermat. Smacks wrist.]

Datun · 14/10/2018 10:40

Thanks Ereshkigal it's so tedious havjng to refute the same stuff over and over.

I'd also like to point out that threatening to kill yourself either because you can't access female facilities, or to make people agree with you is abusive.

As is recommending women get locked up for disagreement.

Also if I had a child who was trans I would be grabbing the suicide debunked articles with both hands. Relieved, grateful and reading them avidly.

Not posting easily refuted bogus surveys and recommendations by organisations who use convicted doctors.

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 10:41

I'm sorry you all feel so defined by your bodies and not your brains. It says a lot!

AspieAndProud · 14/10/2018 10:41

I think therefore I am. It is the confines and definitions established by society that have limited my freedom to define myself in the way I wish.

You think therefore you are in as much as you are a thinking being. It does not follow that you are what you think you are.

Biology has placed limits on what you are. You can not fly by identifying as a bird.

Fearandsurprise · 14/10/2018 10:42

F4 So we agree there are societal confines. And we can all have different feelings.
But I still can’t see which feelings of female born women are the same as transgender women?

Hyppolyta · 14/10/2018 10:42

No I agree its amusing.

Lets release all the prisoners who think theyre innocent, and allow all those who think theyre brain surgeons to perform surgery.

My teen thinks he can drive, how can the police invalidate his identity just because hes 14? Grin

Datun · 14/10/2018 10:42

It is the confines and definitions established by society that have limited my freedom to define myself in the way I wish.

I thought it was your child?

FermatsTheorem · 14/10/2018 10:43

Durr... my brain is part of my body. Unless you're a Cartesian dualist. Oh, hang on a moment, you just quoted Descartes. I guess you are. A Cartesian dualist who thinks they know about neuroscience.

[Settles back with the popcorn to watch more unhingedness unfold before me. Beats watching DS and his friend play Fortnite.]

nottakingthisanymore · 14/10/2018 10:44

It is the confines and definitions established by society that have limited my freedom to define myself in the way I wish.

Society is stopping you expressing yourself how you want? Yes! I want a society where people express themselves how they want. But expressing oneself and changing material reality are different things.

AspieAndProud · 14/10/2018 10:44

Can you fly, F4?

Or are you letting your body define who and what you are?

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2018 10:45

Also if I had a child who was trans I would be grabbing the suicide debunked articles with both hands. Relieved, grateful and reading them avidly.

Was reminded on another thread today of TRA Rebecca Root's revealing slip of the tongue on Victoria Derbyshire earlier in the year when Rebecca said about the trans suicide stats that they were "in our favour".

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2018 10:45

Sorry Datun forgot to quote properly Blush

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2018 10:46

And that's me who forgot to quote, not Datun! I may just go back to bed Smile

Feminist4 · 14/10/2018 10:47

Mock all you like. It is this type of thinking that has allowed men to rule over women for so long. You are biologically feeble and different. Therefore can't be what you want.