Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

[WombOfOnesOwn]

This year, the number of murderers who are transgender is higher in the UK than the number of murder victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156440/Transgender-woman-boyfriend-murdered-flatmate.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4997224/Father-two-stabbed-death-transgender-woman.html

And then there's attempted murders and current murderers declaring themselves trans while behind bars:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jailed-killer-who-chopped-testicles-9882176

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-murderer-moved-womens-prison-9770465

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-woman-accused-trying-murder-9569383

www.thesun.co.uk/news/2193637/transgender-female-running-champ-to-be-detained-in-hospital-after-trying-to-murder-top-uk-athletics-official/

Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

Lets release all the prisoners who think theyre innocent, and allow all those who think theyre brain surgeons to perform surgery.

That's basically the Action for Trans Health manifesto executive summary, isn't it?

What we are doing is acknowledging our biology as it is that which society uses to oppress us. I can imagine I’m something else but it isn’t going to stop me being paid less than a man or overlooked for promotion because I’m of child bearing age. It isn’t going to stop me having periods or getting pregnant. Our biology matters.

I'm glad "Feminist" has dropped that particular pretence. Sometimes it fools the unwary.

Are you honestly saying we can think away our physical differences?

I've dropped no pretence. You misinterpret me. Giving ridiculous examples doesn't prove your case. Our actions define us. If I commit a crime of course I am guilty of it.

For fucks sake!

There’s a difference between acknowledging material differences between male and female bodies and attaching a moral judgement to these differences!

You have just demonstrated zero understanding of feminism there 😂

I think what we think is more important than how we look, yes.

Feminist your argument is basically sex segregation needs to end because of how some males feel.

What about how the females feel? Are our feelings taken into account, or is it just males that matter?

F4 I really still can’t see which feelings of female born women are the same as transgender women.

Ereshkigal

It is this type of thinking that has allowed men to rule over women for so long. You are biologically feeble and different. Therefore can't be what you want.

Quite a few TRAs say this. It's incomprehensible to them that women can't just BE equal. Because their privilege blinds them to female reality.

They can identify as female and walk around being listened to and dominating, after all. Women should just take a leaf. Fools. Crampingly confined ninnies at the mercy of their self perception.

I think what we think is more important than how we look, yes.
In that case women who think men are never born female are as important as men who think they were born female. We are both thinking.

And as my consent is mine to give and not yours you have to defer to what I think in this case. I don't consent to males who think they were born female being given the legal ability to ignore my consent.

I think what we think is more important than how we look, yes.

Course you do, Malcolm.

Didn’t realise I’d not been thinking right.

Of course transgender women cannot walk around with the power of men. That is the point.

I'm glad "Feminist" has dropped that particular pretence. Sometimes it fools the unwary

It's not so much that they've dropped the pretence as that they can't sustaining masking the underlying nuttiness indefinitely.

The more rational end of the transgenderist religion do at least realise when they've been "pwned" on a thread over misuse of statistics. At that point, they either do a vanishing act or try to derail the thread in a different direction. The truly unhinged do a groundhog day - the thread goes false stats, debunk, repeat false stats, another debunk, repeat false stats, another debunk... but sooner or later there's always a melt-down into full-on narc rage and tin-foil hattery.

[Man, this popcorn is not doing anything for my waistline.]

Of course transgender women cannot walk around with the power of men. That is the point

So men identifying as women have no power.

But actual women can have it if they just try harder?

It is this type of thinking that has allowed men to rule over women for so long. You are biologically feeble and different. Therefore can't be what you want.

Whatever else it isn't, trandgenderism is sexist muppetry on acid.

Why do transgender women not have the power of men?

There is not even ONE difference that all men and transwomen have.

This has been asked repeatedly, and never answered.

There is no difference between transwomen and men, and nothing transwomen and women have in common.

So of course transwomen are treated as men, we cant tell the difference between them.

Tell that to my transgender daughter who was bullied at school for being different and raped.

Hyppolyta I was open to hearing about the similarities but it seems like no answers are forthcoming.

So your child was also a victim of male violence.

Thats terrible. Male violence is horrific for all of us to live with.

So why are you attacking women rather than adressing the actual problem?

So all men who are bullied and raped should be seen of as women? Womanhood isn't a dumping ground for unhappy males.

Giving ridiculous examples doesn't prove your case.

So do please tell us what kind of an example Karen White is? A proven paraphiliac with a cross dressing fetish and child abuse, who you believe was "born female"? You need to prove your case here. That this born female, is born female because of "thinking" not fetish or psychopathy or mental illness, and is someone we need to protect and prioritise of over women and girls because of "thinking". To not do so is discrimination? Please confirm this? This psychopathic rapist is defined by his female brain and not his male body, that's your non discriminatory view you expect us to be locked up for not believing?

Is this your non ridiculous example or one of our ridiculous examples?

F4 is gradually upping the ante, here.

If you have a child, and your child was raped or sexually assaulted, that is of course terrible.

But I must draw everyone's attention to the fact that we are in a cycle of "false assertion, debunk, false assertion, debunk, false assertion, debunk..." here. F4's "child" first appeared in about iteration 3 or 4 (you'd have expected the child to be mentioned much earlier) and at that point was subjected to bullying. Here we are on iteration 6 or 7, and F4's child is now a rape victim.

I repeat, if F4 does in fact have a child, and that child has been raped, that is beyond terrible. But, on the tenor of the thread so far, I do not think this is actually true.

The saddest thing is parents like feminist4 end up defending the very abusers that do the raping. I wish people were not so easily groomed but her we have a classic case of a groomed parent defending the abusers.

The nation is being groomed. I'm seeing my MP next week, he's going to get such a bollocking for colluding in this.

Well actually you are right, all genders that feel at risk need to be protected. But my daughter is not a man and should be protected in the same way all women are. My daughter is a rape victim because she is among the most vulnerable people in society. You mock like braying men in some men only drinking club. It's chilling.