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Some sort of campaign being organised against MN

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/10/2017 12:26

There are rumblings on Twitter about MN transphobia. Mermaids mention something about a press release.

If anything comes of this I hope MNHQ will ignore.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/10/2017 12:26

Twitter thread here:

twitter.com/DadTrans/status/914155489495314432?s=09

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Gileswithachainsaw · 01/10/2017 12:29

Disinformation
?Shock

You are all the.most educated, articulate, well informed people I've ever dealt with.

How dare they...

Butterymuffin · 01/10/2017 12:35

So people here don't have opinions and ideas of their own, then? They're just 'indoctrinated' by transphobes? Ridiculous when you look at how averse trans activists are to any sort of debate. I hope MN will maintain its approach to letting debate continue. We are seeing signs of debate opening up in the mainstream media, so I can see why those who wish to stifle it are getting twitchy. They don't like being challenged.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/10/2017 12:36

I find it interesting that they are upset that people are discussing (just discussing) trans issues with a gender critical slant, when TRAs are organising to "fuck TERFS up"...

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AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 01/10/2017 12:38

I imagine @MNHQ has been swatting away demands that trans threads be shut down for some time.

Thanks again for allowing discussion of this extremely important topic to take place. Thanks for not silencing women. People are starting to listen

Ereshkigal · 01/10/2017 12:58

Just yet another man who thinks he can tell women what to think.

cinnamonwoman · 01/10/2017 13:05

I saw those tweets last night.

I didn't form my opinions on Mumsnet or on twitter, but would you believe it, in the real world! Shock talking to other real women! (and men too)

I also read articles from a wide variety of different feminist perspectives...it just proves to me that radical feminists are the most consistently clear and logical and, particularly, there's no violence in their opinions (as I don't believe different opinions are 'literal' violenceHmm)

Mumsnet is filled with some of the most intelligent, fair debate on the matter and I'd hope MNHQ won't be bullied into silence.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/10/2017 14:11

Looks like we are about to be invaded by the inhibitors of free speech...

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 01/10/2017 14:21

That is such a pile of misogynistic twaddle.

jellyfrizz · 01/10/2017 14:28

I think it would be useful if @DadTrans would join the discussion on here to put forward his arguments.

Women understand how frustrating it is to be treated differently to how you feel you should be purely because of your reproductive system.

We probably have quite a lot in common.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 01/10/2017 14:34

I would love an activist who does debate, without flouncing.

MadreTranquillitatis · 01/10/2017 15:27

I'm on there Grin

meditrina · 01/10/2017 15:32

‘Mumsnet is filled with some of the most intelligent, fair debate on the matter and I'd hope MNHQ won't be bullied into silence.’

I very strongly disagree. There have been so many vituperative threads on MN which just shout down any but the clique-approved line that it is a wholly unrepresentative site.

Ereshkigal · 01/10/2017 15:51

Have you seen how censored the "debate" is anywhere else, meditrina?

meditrina · 01/10/2017 15:55

Yes.

And your point is?

SisterMoonshine · 01/10/2017 15:57

Smile Bring it on.
We can look forward to people reading our threads and learning something,
A discussion at last.

jellyfrizz · 01/10/2017 16:06

I don't know meditrina, one person's shouting down is another person's carefully dissecting an argument.

If an argument is good it should be able to stand up in the face of any shouting down.

Elendon · 01/10/2017 16:06

I would have thought that by 16 (you cannot respond to the 'Growing up Trans' before this age) you would have known what sexuality you were or were in a bit of a quandary regarding your sexuality?

The whole idea is nonsense. I could go onto it.

Elendon · 01/10/2017 16:07

Also trans has nothing whatsoever to do with sexuality.

Ereshkigal · 01/10/2017 16:09

If an argument is good it should be able to stand up in the face of any shouting down.

Exactly. The trouble is, meditrina, that the argument isn't very good. The only way they can make it stand up is by censoring people and misrepresenting and lying.

meditrina · 01/10/2017 16:11

I disagree. In an echo chamber, it's never about the quality of debate.

When a range of views are possible, and tolerance is absent, a place that thinks it's about 'winning' isn't likely to be remotely balanced.

Ereshkigal · 01/10/2017 16:12

He says he's the father of a trans child. A fan of Mermaids, it would seem.

Ereshkigal · 01/10/2017 16:15

This is not an echo chamber. Perhaps people should have the courage of their convictions if they feel so strongly? No one is censoring them. But they will be robustly challenged by some very informed people on the ramifications of their beliefs. And they don't like it, and they're not used to it.

Ekphrasis · 01/10/2017 16:18

I've found the debate to be pretty balanced in the feminist section.

Also, not one person here is transphobic. As far as as can tell since I've been following this part of the site, and educating myself, it's the issue of women's safe spaces, ignoring women's rights and the issue with gender stereotyping amongst children's toys and clothes working against their freedom to enjoy what ever they enjoy without being told they are therefore trans. As well as it continuing to work against women in society.

I cannot see how discussions about these things are phobic in any way. I think the post twitter referred to was some sort of survey - did it then tell you the % you were 'male or female' some how? (Or was that another one?)

ErrolTheDragon · 01/10/2017 16:20

If anything comes of this I hope MNHQ will ignore

Ignore? I'd hope they robustly defend the right to free speech within their talk guidelines.