Pink News - you can't deadname a rapist

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/09/08/the-mail-just-implied-a-transgender-rapist-made-unwanted-sexual-advances-because-she-has-a-penis/

They have finally lost the plot. It's utterly shameful

Flyingflipflop

Sorry, wasn't really directing my post at you specifically, I just thought you might know what percentage of male inmates are made up of sex offenders, generally. I can google it though, but I'd be surprised if it's 20%.

It's quite high, however I do think it's something that might need to be looked at a little in depth. You have things like HMP Norwich which is now almost an OAP jail due to the amount of historic sex offences.

But also in the young offenders institutes quite a few of those do but often where a 16/17 year old lad has had consensual sex with his 14/15 year old girlfriend. The sex offence isn't why they are there, but still on record.

I always used to look because these days you have quite young officers (both male and female) and the last thing I wanted was one of those dragged in a cell.

datun
Trans women in prison and trans women in the general population aren't the same though and you can't extrapolate data from one to the other. Trans women in prison are highly likely to be fetishistic sex offenders, their trans identity is likely to be a part of their sexual preoccupation and offending behaviour

For all the claims about pink/blue brains, there is still no diagnostic tool to say a man is genuinely trans, or to tell him apart from a violent offender who wants a fresh start, or a fetishist.

The safety of women has to come first.

Utter madness.

Slight derail, but "consensual sex with his 14/15 year old girlfriend". Can one have consensual sex with someone who is too young to consent?

Grey area - 14/15 year olds can consent to sex with each other assuming parity in cognitive development etc. 14/15 year olds can't consent to sex with adults.

badbadhusky the inability to 'dead name' and right to be forgotten only benefits people who have something to hide. A MTT who has post grad qualifications and twenty years experience in their profession isn't going to want that information to disappear, a sex offender on the other hand ...

"The implication is then transgender people are more likely to be rapists – though the reverse is actually true."

This sentence is the crux of the whole issue to me. The implication isn't that transgender people are more likely to be rapists, the implication is that rapists are likely to say they are transgender in order to access female spaces. They've got it arse backwards.

Today 09:18 AdalindSchade

datun
Trans women in prison and trans women in the general population aren't the same though and you can't extrapolate data from one to the other. Trans women in prison are highly likely to be fetishistic sex offenders, their trans identity is likely to be a part of their sexual preoccupation and offending behaviour

I'm not sure I understand. Transwomen sex offenders come from the general population. The same way that male inmates in general do.

If sex offenders are made up of 98% of men in the first place, knowing that transwomen are over represented in that statistic, is significant.

I'm not at all suggesting that transwomen as a group are sex offenders. Just the same, or slightly more than men in general.

Which no one would give a toss about, if they weren't claiming they were a) women and b) should be treated as such in terms of women's spaces.

I'm not at all suggesting that transwomen as a group are sex offenders. Just the same, or slightly more than men in general.

I think, realistically it's more likely to be slightly more. And there is evidence to suggest that. I don't see transitioning, particularly autogynephilia as unrelated. I don't think it's simply an aspect of their maleness. Look at how unconcerned transactivists are with women's boundaries. That's a red flag. Also we have the population that will deliberately gravitate towards this as an opportunity to prey on women more easily. There is no objective definition of "transgender."

Yeah datun I get what you mean. The problem is that the AGP fetishistic sex offenders who 'transition' for fetish reasons are also considered transwomen just as much as the 'true transsexual' transwoman. If we were allowed to name the fact that AGP exists then AGP sex offenders could be removed from the category of transsexuals and wouldn't impact on the statistics.

Sorry Datun I think I misunderstood your post slightly. I completely agree with your earlier post.

Cross dressing in and of itself does not lead to a propensity for violence. But it does indicate autogynephilia, which relies on seeing women as weak victims who enjoy humiliation. Not the sort of fetish you'd want anywhere near a woman's prison.

YY.

Why is dressing in women's clothing automatically humiliating?

'The pink news' is obviously an echo chamber.

Of nonsense.

Actually, statistically, black men and women are more likely, by population, to commit assault than white people. More likely to murder, more likely to be uneducated.

Stats are annoying.

Why is dressing in women's clothing automatically humiliating?

It's not "automatically humiliating". But for men who get sexual arousal from it, it's often linked to that. Sissy porn etc.

I wonder what pink news would think of "deadnaming" when it comes to a DBS or credit check? Would "Lian" Huntley be able to get a job in a school on release, as "Lian's" DBS comes back clear?

AdalindSchade

I agree. In fact, I'm beginning to talk about trans collectively as gender dysphoric/autogynephilic. Breaking it down to the two strands, is useful in terms of naming it. (And separating the harmless from the harmful).

The problem is AGP was swept under the carpet/denied because it was considered an invalid reason for treatment. The NHS wasn't about to finance someone's fetish.

So now, athough, many people do know about AGP, I rarely see mainstream media, or the general public give any indication that they are aware of it.

Cross dressers seem to be fondly imagined as a mixture of Corporal Klinger and Grayson Perry. With little appreciation of the underlying misogyny accompanying an humiliation fetish.

Frankly I don't know how you would ever officially separate the two, because no one is going to own up.

Deadening or whatever I can see is one issue, the continued criminality of the same brain, another, and how sexual advances between inmates in women's prisons are treated another. The risk here is that if it's clear that trans women are segregated for flirting, where female inmates are merely socially managed, then both he and she will have a case for discrimination. If all inmates convicted of sex crime, sex crime 1984 are segregated for flirting then that's ok.

But I can also see the point that having a penis in a women's prison could be seen by a kind of currency.. In the same way men who have sex with men can kind of trade on it in prison. The problem here will be that the trams woman probably thinks. Via porn.. That women are constantly trying to get any penis into them (forgetting of course all the dildo and lesbian porn)

Why can't he just stick to knitting...

"Frankly I don't know how you would ever officially separate the two, because no one is going to own up."

Agree. Certainly not helped by online coaching that ensures you give the right answers to be diagnosed

Oh that clothes idea is bollocks. That's like saying women who like pegging only want to humiliate men because that's the dominant porn. A lot of 'sissy' porn isn't humiliation anyway. You are confusing your personally selected porn with documentary!

Today 10:47 scaryclown

Why is dressing in women's clothing automatically humiliating?

It's not. That's the sexism. AGP relies on the fact that the person believes women are submissive/to be used. See forced feminisation, cissification, etc.

That's why the sanitisation of the entire trans umbrella is dangerous. It's thought that AGP individuals outnumber genuine transsexuals with gender dysphoria.

Someone with AGP would find cat calling arousing, for instance. Not just as validation, but being objectified.

And, because it extends to the fetishisation of women's actual biology (menstruation, childbirth, breast feeding, urination), it's a horrible treachery to be forced to call them women and allow them access to women's spaces.

I'd never heard of autogynephilia before. First result on Google is a website saying it's a made up mental illness. It makes a lot of sense though.

I still find it continually interesting that the transactivist dialogue almost exclusively revolves around transwomen. I have an acquaintance who is has transitioned from female to male. He's very involved in LGBT stuff, though mostly sexual health, but also posts a lot of Pink News-esque things, despite the fact that much of it does not actually apply to him. He is certainly of the gender dysphoric type though so of course feels that all trans people are the same as him.

I am not certain in many of my views but the more I read the more I can't help but feel transactivism is mostly a concerted encroachment upon women. Those who are truly dysphoric unfortunately perpetuate things but from a well meaning place.

I find there's this problem in a lot of discussions though. People are so desperate not to tar everyone with the same negative brush, everyone is painted with the same positive one instead. If it was possible to say that there are both gender dysphoric trans people and people who are perhaps actually fetishists then a more meaningful discussion could be had. Unfortunately the moment you say anything other than loving and sympathetic about trans issues, you are a hateful bigot.

I guess that's ideology for you.