Pink News - you can't deadname a rapist

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/09/08/the-mail-just-implied-a-transgender-rapist-made-unwanted-sexual-advances-because-she-has-a-penis/

They have finally lost the plot. It's utterly shameful

I also follow adoctorwrites and some names I recognise from the feminist chat boards here who are great.

Latest is PN trying to say that Ian Huntley should be allowed in a women's prison. Because he is, after all, a woman

This has to be the most disgusting openly transactivist nuttery.

hysterical we have sex segregation for a reason. Women on the whole are at risk of sexual assault and violence from men as a whole, based on their sex.
The same cannot be said about other characteristics like ethnicity, much as the daily mail would like you to believe otherwise.

Also, sex is a binary. Skin colour isn't. How would you decide what ethnicity someone was In order to segregate them? Look at the contortions the Nazis and apartheid had to go through to try to that.

I'm glad about it. This is an excellent article to send to friends.

I see Janice Turner has cleared uo the Ian Turner conundrum. Yes, transactivists want him in a woman's prison.

*Sorry Ian Huntley

but I also get a bit exasperated at these implications that trans women transition in order to get closer to their 'prey'.

then...

I do not doubt that there is a problem of convicted criminals 'transitioning strategically'

C'mon Hysterical make your mind up. Great name by the way.

I would of thought this was quite clear cur, double rapist being housed with females but hey ho.

I also get a bit exasperated at these implications that trans women transition in order to get closer to their 'prey'.

No you've got it all arse backwards there.

Trans woman transition because they feel that they are women etc. (a)
Some sex offenders 'transition' because they want to get close to women or they have serious mental illnesses. (b)

Not all (a) are (b).
Some (b) are (a).

I would of thought this was quite clear cur, double rapist being housed with females but hey ho

The problem is that if the rapist is a genuine transwoman (how the transwacktivists determine that I have no idea) then his feelings take precedence over the safety of women.

Only if he is decreed (by transactivists who possess the sacred testicles of objectivity) to be a man who just pretends to be trans might the safety of women be deemed more important.

You can't have OR in premise statements

...– and once more for emphasis: Winfield is a convicted rapist.
Her being trans has nothing to do with that.

It's got everything to do with it. Not that he's trans (could be a transman), but that he's male.

The implication is then transgender people are more likely to be rapists – though the reverse is actually true.

Men, men are more likely to be rapists, overwhelmingly more likely.

98% Pink News, you misogynistic liars.

The study I've read that I am aware of showed transwomen had male rates of offending.

I strongly suspect that their rates are in fact higher, given how disproportionately they are being reported in the media as sex criminals compared to their prevalence in the general population. Of course, they are reported as women, but it is simple to verify their sex as male in every case. And unsurprisingly, given that transwomen comprise a tiny fraction of a percent of all people, I have noted that this year, they have comprised 100% of "women" sex offenders convicted and reported in the media.

Every case of a "woman convicted of sex crime" I've seen this year has been a man.

Every case of a "woman convicted of sex crime" I've seen this year has been a man.

Carolann Gallon?

You can't have OR in premise statements

Fair point.

You can't have a fully functioning cock and balls and be a woman either but that doesn't seem to get in anyone's way anymore.

So your example of a woman convicted of a sex crime is one where a woman who had been abused herself trafficked victims for - wait - MEN to abuse? You don't consider, for a second, that a woman associated with a gang of sex offending men might actually have been one of their victims too?

A crime, yes. But clearly yet another example that women are not committing the same crimes as men. She wasn't raping others was she? She wasn't downloading child abuse images. She was doing the bidding of men. For their benefit.

What proportion of sex crimes, and yes, by that I mean women acting for themselves, not vulnerable and controlled women facilitating crimes for men, do you think women commit? What do you reckon the proportions should be between biological women sex offenders and transwomen sex offenders? Do you think their ratios in crime represent their ratios in the general population?

Carolann Gallon is a very, very rare case but your excuses for her are disgusting.

Pink News is beyond parody now. They were correct - The Mail article washorrifying - just not the way they meant it.

I've just been reading the thread on twitter, Janice Turner is amazing!

I think that Josh Jackman is living in an absolute lala land when it comes to prisons but the thing thats annoying me most is that he can only conceive of a woman not wanting to inhabit space with a male is if they have already been subject to male violence.
I have never been hit or sexually assaulted by a man but there would be no chance in hell that I would feel comfortable sleeping in a prison cell as a man in prison even if that man wasn't in prison for rape.

How often have you heard a victim be blamed for not being careful enough or following their instincts yet in so many instances where women raise concerns about not feeling safe they are told they are over reacting and I'm sure if they raised objections to sharing space with a trans person they would be branded a transphobe

But why don't i feel the same about other victim/perpetrator constellations?I

Male prisons should already have processes in place to make sure that BME men are not at risk from racialised violence from men convicted of race hate crimes. Likewise gay men and men convicted of homophobic hate crimes. I'm not saying these procedures are always correct but they have a responsibility to have them. Also bear in mind that men in the same category prison are likely to have committed similar level crimes so your BME men and gay men are probably in for violent and serious crimes as well as your racist homophobes.

Whereas women are far more likely to be in prison for drug related crimes, or fraud, or something else related to being poor and abused. They are far less likely to have caused physical harm to someone than a man in prison.

I'm not saying that men deserve to get beaten up in prison just pointing out that there is no parity between male and female prisoners whatever their gender identity unlike between male prisoners. So the idea that if women prisoners should be separated from rapists then male BME prisoners should be separated from male racists is just a false equivalence.

Male prisons should already have processes in place to make sure that BME men are not at risk from racialised violence from men convicted of race hate crimes. Likewise gay men and men convicted of homophobic hate crimes.

When a prisoner comes into jail or is transferred (whether male, female, transgender) a Cell Share Risk Assessment is done. These were introduced after the murder of Zahid Mubarek in his cell in Feltham by his neo nazi cell mate. A CSRA should identify through history and interview the risk the prisoner poses to others and whether or not they get a single cell or who they can share with.

Here's the rub though. Everyone wants a single cell. Nobody wants to be on bunk beds in a room the size of your box room that also includes a toilet.

The officer has to make a decision as to who is just saying racist/homophobic things and who is actually a risk. The pressure to get it right is huge as the risks are huge. However jails are overcrowded so pressures from management are also present.

It's not quite true that categories hold the same type of prisoner. Male jails are graded A to D, D being open conditions. A prisoner is categorised with regards to his risk and ability of escape and the consequences thereof. Therefore it's not uncommon to find a murderer in open conditions after serving many years or a fraudster in Cat B as he's likely to leg it.

Women have closed conditions, open conditions and semi open. No categories, largely due to the size of population.

It was mentioned above that Carollann Gallon was herself a victim of abuse. Many, many male sex offenders are also victims of abuse. It never excuses their crime and shouldn't be used to excuse this woman's crime. Everyone has a reason why they commit crime, but ultimately they made the choice. Everyone (excluding wrongfuls) in jail is a volunteer.

Damn there is no contradiction. The statements you quote come from two different posts. I wrote the second after I read Barrackers post. I am open to changing my mind based on evidence I do still believe however that too much emphasis is given to this fraction of 'strategic transitioners' when discussing trans rights in general.

Wallpaper yes totally agree. "Almost as if the assumption was that trans women are more likely to be sex offenders rather than saying some sex offenders under some circumstances transition. There a slippage between the two statements which makes me uncomfortable."

Adalind good points. I have not looked at any data, though.

Barracker would you take a male abuser's history of abuse in account in the same way in which you have done in Gallon's case? I doubt it.

hysterical there is a conflation on the issue of trans and rape that is wrong and derailing imo.
All rapists are male
All trans women are male
Therefore some trans women are (likely to be) rapists
Is logical.
All rapists are male
All trans women are male
Therefore trans women are rapists
Is not logical.

I posted this on the Ian Huntley thread, but it shoukd really be here:

I'm having trouble finding articles about Martin Ponting's original conviction - all the links seem to be in relation to the individual's recent transfer to a women's prison. Then I spotted Google's "right to be forgotten" statement on the search results (image attached). I think we have our answer about motivation - this legislation and transition effectively allow these men a fresh start and improved access to their preferred victim population. Mystery solved! Add in legal sanctions for anyone who has the temerity to "dead name" one of them...

I added this in a subsequent post:

Actually, its fucking outrageous that none of the reporting about Martin Ponting's original convictions are coming up. Imagine when Huntley does the same - his murders were heinous and led to changes in safeguarding law. Imagine a future criminology or law student trying to research the case to provide context for the safeguarding changes and drawing a blank. It's rewriting history and really fucking dishonest, as well as dangerous.

I'm furious. I cannot find any contemporaneous reporting of Ponting's original case(s). I even googled adding in terms like "sentencing statement" in the hope legal records would throw something up. Can anyone help?

Flyingflipflop

As far as I'm aware, transwomen do have an increased risk of sexual offending.

A report investing demographics of 315 transgender women in prison revealed that one fifth were registered sex offenders.

Unless one fifth as a percentage, is the same across the board?

According to this link, cross dressing is also prevalent in prison.

Cross dressing in and of itself does not lead to a propensity for violence. But it does indicate autogynephilia, which relies on seeing women as weak victims who enjoy humiliation. Not the sort of fetish you'd want anywhere near a woman's prison.

thepoliticsofgender.wordpress.com/concerns-for-womens-safety/

Datun

Sorry I wasn't implying they don't. I don't know to be honest.

I'll be honest, if a MtF had sat in front of me in a prison, there is no way I'd have categorised them to go in a shared cell. If in male jail, for their safety and female jail for the others safety.

In the cases talked about though, whilst an officer would do the CSRA, the governors would of been all over it. To quote Blackadder, 'Nobody wants to be at home when Mr Cockup calls!'.