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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How 'afraid' are we of men?

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ChipsForSupper · 29/08/2017 09:17

Most of us know, either sadly through experience or through knowledge acquired by observing the world around us, that men can be threatening towards women and most of us are also brought up trained to take precautions such as not going out alone at certain times or to certain places. I was just wondering how individual women feel about this and to what degree it affects each one of us.

Personally, on the surface of it, this rarely worries me and I am happy to go on remote country walks by myself, often walk home late at night etc. This is probably because I am older now, I live in a fairly untroubled neck of the woods and I am a "what are the odds?" type person among other reasons.

However, recently, I broke down very late at night in a quiet country layby. I told the rescue people on the phone that, although I was a woman on my own, I was not a priority because I knew the area well and felt quite safe. While waiting for the breakdown truck to arrive, I even had to get out and and venture into the bushes to have a wee and felt perfectly OK about it. Then, at one point, a saw a man walking up the road in the direction of my car. I felt instantly afraid - even though I knew he probably couldn't see me as the lights were out and was more than likely an innocent soul on his way home from a night out somewhere. Nevertheless, my heart was racing and I held my breath until after he'd gone. This reaction took me by surprise and made me realise that I am affected by this general 'fear' of men.

I've often heard friends say that they are afraid of the dark, or afraid of lonely places or afraid of breaking down etc. All of this happened to me and I was fine until a man came along. What we really mean is, we are afraid of men.

Anyway, I wondered how predominant everyone else feels this fear is in their day to day lives?

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tehmina23 · 29/08/2017 12:46

I'm only ever afraid of men when I go on dates as my bad experiences have been with men I thought I knew well.

TheSparrowhawk · 29/08/2017 12:48

Plenty of people are also legitimately afraid of Kim Yong Un, Donald Trump, Putin and various other aggressive, unstable male leaders.

tehmina23 · 29/08/2017 12:49

On dates men don't get how much women have to think about personal safety, they offer lifts home or out and invite you to theirs without thinking that you may feel threatened.

BertrandRussell · 29/08/2017 12:51

"Isn't it perpetuating the idea that men are something to be feared, and that men who don't have any nasty intentions should go to great lengths to ensure that the women around them know that? Curious to know others thoughts on this"

Male violence is something to be feared. And yes, it's about time men did something about it, to be honest.

Unicornsandrainbows3 · 29/08/2017 13:06

Yes, I am afraid. Even around perfectly nice and gentle men I have my guard up, partly from my own experiences in the past, partly because of what happens in society generally. The rate of male to female violence is fear inducing. I hate feeling like this, I try not to let it run my life but it does have a big impact unfortunately.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 29/08/2017 13:12

I'm not afraid of men. Maybe more wary around a certain type of man, but then I think I'm equally wary of women of the same type

Yes same here. The type of men I am wary are the type of men my husband is wary of too. I regularly walk home alone at night and always have done.

Elendon · 29/08/2017 13:15

Even if I had the most wonderful men in my life I would still be wary because men are more violent, stats show this especially when it comes to domestic violence and murder.

Even the lovely men in my life are wary of other men, my son, his friends, my brothers and my good friend's husband. If they are wary, then so should I be.

Elendon · 29/08/2017 13:20

I have to add though, that I've thought a man was lovely, only to be told by a man that they would be wary of that person.

And they have been right.

KentMum2008 · 29/08/2017 13:21

Fair enough Bertrand. FWIW, I've never discouraged DH from doing so, and although both of his brothers have dismissed his mum's comments as 'rubbish', DH has continued to make sure he never does anything to intimidate women, knowingly or unknowingly.

He's very aware that his size makes him intimidating, and I've watched with interest when he speaks to women he doesn't know (in shops, asking directions, offering help etc) the way he behaves, softens his voice, slouches somewhat so as to appear smaller.

I suppose I just think it's a sad state of affairs when the men who genuinely mean no harm to anyone feel they need to change their behaviour to compensate for the men who enjoy intimidating women, and who (in some cases) are intent on causing harm or distress. I'm not saying they shouldn't by the way, more just musing on it. In the same way, women shouldn't have to change their behaviour to protect themselves, but most will.

Collidascope · 29/08/2017 13:29

I always wonder what would happen if women (but not men) were legally allowed to carry weapons -guns, knives, pepper spray etc. I'd personally feel much safer when approaching a lone man in a remote place if I had a gun visible on my belt.
I would guess there would be fewer stranger attacks. And probably more men identifying as women so as to get hold of a weapon... I would imagine the amount of female-generated violent crime would also rise.

meddie · 29/08/2017 13:33

As I get older I have the fear more. I honestly think thats due to life experiences. When I was a teenager/young woman I would happily leave a club and leave my mates behind and make my own way home. I was trusting of most people. No one I knew would harm me, so why would a random stranger? Over the years I have had experiences that have left me fearful. from catcallers becoming aggressive because I ignored them, to having to remove myself from situations were a firm NO has been met with aggression and I know 2 women personally who were murdered by their ex partners.
I am definitely more aware of what a potential threat males can be to women, especially if they are not getting what they want/feel entitled too. I am acutely aware of how quickly a seemingly innocent situation can turn aggressive, especially were rejection is concerned. I do my best to avoid getting into those situations these days. (no lifts home,no going back to mens homes, meeting in busy places etc.)
So yes 'the fear' has changed the way I behave as I have got older.

KentMum2008 · 29/08/2017 13:49

My experience of violence is limited to 4 occasions. One was the constant threat of violence from my ex-P, which on many occasions manifested itself into physical violence. He spent vast amounts of time trying to intimidate me, and even more time psychologically manipulating me.

The 3 other occasions were all perpetrated by women, one was a random stranger who attacked me when I was 16, stole my phone and purse, scratched me across the face and spat on me. The other 2 were acts of violence carried out by women I know, one the ex partner of a friend of mine and the other by my SiL.

I'm wary of a great deal of people, but they are not exclusively men. I don't take any measures to ensure my own safety around men, that I wouldn't take around women.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 29/08/2017 14:05

If my car broke down, I'd just stay in my locked car, waiting for help. Life is too short to live in fear

But that is fear. A bloke would not do that. They'd likely go for a pee and hang around outside their car or at least not lock all the doors.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 29/08/2017 14:13

*If he sees a lone woman waking in front of him, he'll either cross the road if possible, or slow his walking speed so that he's never walking very close to her. If he knows I'm awake, he'll call me to talk. Apparently this is something his mum told all her sons to do, so as not to frighten women, but I'm torn as to how helpful it is.

Isn't it perpetuating the idea that men are something to be feared, and that men who don't have any nasty intentions should go to great lengths to ensure that the women around them know that? Curious to know others thoughts on this*

I'd appreciate that. I arrived home one night and there was a man leaning against my fence on his phone. I looked at him without making eye contact and he immediately moved across the road and a little way up a side street. Next day he came to say hello (new neighbour) and apologised for potentially scaring me. I was very appreciative.

AlpacasPackOwls · 29/08/2017 14:23

I'm wary. Nothing has ever happened to me to make me that way. It's an idea that is forced on you by TV, film, books, news etc etc. I can immediately recall several incidences where I have been aware of my vulnerability just because a man is walking behind me.

For me that car analogy up thread doesn't work at all. I am afraid of cars - that's why you don't walk out in the road without checking. I have even started to develop a worry about cars mounting the pavement with all the recent terror attacks.

None of this is an active fear though. I don't sit at home thinking men are out to hurt me or a car is going to drive into me. It certainly makes me cautious if I am out though.

Elendon · 29/08/2017 14:23

The AA appreciate this fear of women alone in a car, which is why they go to them first (obviously a woman alone with children would take precedence).

It really is about common sense.

Timmytoo · 29/08/2017 14:25

Not afraid at all in the slightest. In fact I feel sorry for the guy who hurt me physically in any way as I'm quite vicious and I'm physically very strong. Definitely no fear and I walk around at night, don't let men rule my life one little bit!

Kursk · 29/08/2017 14:30

I always wonder what would happen if women (but not men) were legally allowed to carry weapons -guns, knives, pepper spray etc. I'd personally feel much safer when approaching a lone man in a remote place if I had a gun visible on my belt.
I would guess there would be fewer stranger attacks. And probably more men identifying as women so as to get hold of a weapon... I would imagine the amount of female-generated violent crime would also rise.

Gun time would rise and knife crime would fall as people would have access to more efficient weapons.

Crime as a whole I would expect to fall, no criminal will want to attack if they know that the victim is likely to be armed.

Since moving to the USA I conceal carry a handgun on a daily basis I certainly feel safer and more conf

Lauralou69 · 29/08/2017 14:36

I made a decision a long time ago to not be afraid of men....comes from having a less then nice dad. I am willing and able to inflict a great deal of damage onto one should I need to. I am wary of all men, but polite and friendly with a hint of 'do not fuck with me '. I have had 3 incidents. The first was whem I was 17, sat on a train with my friend and a pervert decided to start masturbating next to us. We reported and he got arrested, my friend was much more affected than me, it followed her for years that incident. Then when in Egypt a young boy about 10 grabbed my crotch but ran off before I could give him a pasting (I certainly would of). Last incident I was about 28 when a young man sitting opposite me grabbed my breasts while on the top deck of a bus, he did get a bashing! In short, I'm a fiesty little ball breaker but I've been made that way by our societies failure to do anything about male violence and quite frankly I'm sick to death of it!!

enoughisenough12 · 29/08/2017 15:08

Getting older has made me more anxious as I know I am less fit and able to defend myself.
When I was younger I was threatened several times and once mugged by two men - I chased them and got my bag back from them and they ran away. My rage at them was instinctive. I worked with hundreds of young men and was genuinely not frightened, would break up fights between 16 year olds, be a visible presence on the streets after school in a heavy inner city area etc. But now .... I feel much more vulnerable. I carry my money / phone hidden on my person when I am out later at night / early morning so that if someone takes my bag, I keep my valuables. I hate feeling 'vulnerable' but I know that I am becoming an easy target. I have lost that instinctive confidence I had as a younger woman and I hate that. It doesn't stop me going out but I am just more 'anxious'.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 29/08/2017 15:30

I'm not afraid of men. Maybe more wary around a certain type of man, but then I think I'm equally wary of women of the same type

I said Yes same here. The type of men I am wary are the type of men my husband is wary of too.

And the type of men and women I am thinking of are, on the whole, a type I'm rarely , if ever, going to encounter anyway.

MrsGWay · 29/08/2017 16:29

What do you mean "certain type of men"? Violent men don't advertise themselves.

I have read enough news reports of men killing their wives to know that any kind of man can be violent. How many reports include friends and neighbours saying what wonderful men they were?

deydododatdodontdeydo · 29/08/2017 16:35

Violent men don't advertise themselves.

Some very much do so, though.
Both DH and I avoid them.
Sure there are violent men who don't appear violent, but at least we avoid the ones who are obviously so.

NoLoveofMine · 29/08/2017 17:48

It is impossible for women and girls to avoid the men who wish us harm. Women and girls are attacked in all kinds of areas, at all hours of the day, as I've said in this thread the only motivation being the victim is female. The victims are also women and girls of all ages, from young teenage girls to elderly women (there are numerous cases of all these from this year alone and those are just the ones which were reported in any way I ended up seeing).

dinahmorris · 29/08/2017 18:10

I do tend to agree with lass to an extent. There are people who (just by looking at them) I'm more inclined to think of as violent and in my normal day to day life I'm not likely to bump in to them. My DBro is as likely to avoid them as I am.

That doesn't change the fact that there are many 'nice guys' who are very good at concealing their violent tendencies. But there really isn't anything I can do about protecting myself from them apart from being resolutely single.

When it comes to harassment (which at 6'4" DBro doesn't worry about) and totally random stranger attacks the only way I can think of to avoid those is to never leave the house. As I'm not prepared to do that I recognise the risk and try get on with my life without letting my fear affect me. But the fear (more trepidation tbh) is absolutely there in certain circumstances.

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