I am Jazz. ***Trans content. Please do not open if you just want to post insults or whinge about another trans thread***

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I am Jazz is a reality show focusing on the journey of a teenage transgirl/woman whos parents supported transition from aged 5 and has been on TV since aged 6.
Now aged 16.

I don't watch the show as I strongly disagree with everything about it. However I briefly saw a clip of the next episode as the tv happened to be on the channel that airs I am Jazz I had been watching say yes to the dress and it was about dating.

Jazz goes to a sort of speed dating event where everyone is sat in the dark. Jazz wants a relationship, which is normal for a teenager however Jazz does not tell the boys/men that they are trans and in fact male.
As they are in darkness Jazz feels that if they get to know each other without the barrier of seeing each other/being trans it may lead to a relationship.

For me this is totally wrong.
Why should it be ok for Jazz or anyone to withold the truth about a very important aspect of who they are?
Plus I would imagine there to be some very upset and angry teenage boys when they find out they have been duped and lied to.

I remember a good few years ago where a man killed his partner after finding out on a TV show that they were trans. There have been a few similar murders over the years.
I am in no way condoning the murder or harm of another person I am just highlighting the danger that can come if you lie about the sex you are and it should not be encouraged as no relationship can survive on lies.

I just wondered what other peoples thoughts are on the subject of lying about your sex to the people you date?

The filming thing is dreadful. We already have countless examples of 'child stars' going off the rails or having mental problems, and Jazz is already mentally fragile and vulnerable to start with. She's on medication for depression, someone a few posts back says she has crippling social anxiety. Whatever the long term outcome to this experiment (and I hope for Jazz's sake it turns out well), it's going to be hard to disentangle the effects of the public exposure from the medical procedures.

Maybe the doctors are at fault here...maybe ..just because you can do something dosnt mean you should...I wonder what would of happened if the puberty blockers were not available,and the operations not available in the future...from watching the program,I got the feeling her parents love her very much.and it can't of been easy for the family

The parents went to the doctors. They pushed for it. Doctors could not have prescribed PB for a child witjout parental consent.
Jazz is a money making scheme and i wish somebody would have stopped the abuse of this child

Why do you say abuse

I've watched a fair bit of I am jazz....to me she seems very sure she is female..it must be utterly devastating to have the body of a man ,but know you are meant to be female...I know I'm female..I would be devestated to have a male body,because I'm female...imagine being you..but when you look down it's a males body..when in yr head yr female..how would you feel??

I would hate to have a male body, I can quite understand men who have terrible sex dismorphia because i shudder at the thought of being shapeless and hairy and having a penis. However, had I been born that way it would probably never occur to me to feel badly about it, it would just be my body and if it worked properly I'd be very happy with it. I don't want to be male because I know I'm female. I know i'm female because I am.

Jazz, however 'knows she's female' because she has been told she is since she was 6, far too young to understand the complications and realities of what she was getting into, and perfectly trusting of the people who were meant to love, protect and look out for her (her parents). Had they not pushed (or even just gone along with) this narrative that Jazz was a girl, would she still feel female today? What does that even mean? How does she feel female when she isn't? How does she know? I don't 'feel' female, i just am.

..then suddenly doctors are saying they can help you get a female body..who wouldn't take that chance....I would if I'd been born with a penis ,as I know I'm female...

you know you're female because you are. If you were male the chances are you would have been perfectly happy with that and would have known you were male. Even if you didn't like your body, you still couldn't know you were female, because you would have no idea what that would be like.

I don't feel sorry for jazz...I feel hopeful the doctors can help her,become her true self,even if that means a part of her bowel for a vagina,..if it stops her from committing suicide,and makes her happy ...who are we to judge??

I don't think Jazz's or anyone's true self involves possessing a fuck hole made out of colon. I don't know what the source is, but I've seen stats posted on this board that say after surgery contentment does not increase and suicides don't go down. Half of the content of 'I am Jazz' is documenting how unhappy she is, so transition doesn't seem to be working in that respect. I don't judge her, but all the people making money out of her when they should be protecting her? Yep I judge them quite harshly.

Since this child was 3 they've been told they can change sex and become a woman, and that this is what is going to be the right thing for them. I wonder what would have happened if they had been told, gently and kindly, that they are absolutely fine to do whatever they want to do, look how they want, play how they want, but that they cannot change sex.

If she really really believes she's female,ofcourse the parents will want to help her..you do when it's your child.you move heaven and earth for them

What would you call it?

This child has had hormones pumped in to them, had their whole traumatic journey played out on tv for the world to see and had a normal life taken away from them when at no point have they been old enought to vonsent or understand the implications.
That is abuse. The parents have abused their position as decision makers for a minor.

My 11yo DC is repulsed by anything sex related, so if I was having a conversation with him about transitioning and told him that he would never have a satisfactory sex life he wouldn't think that that was a problem, because according to him he isn't going to do it except for maybe to have two babies....

My point is that he isn't mature enough to understand what the sacrifice would actually be, and legally he isn't deemed mature enough to make decisions about his own health (such as whether to have a vaccination) or indeed his own actions in many cases. He certainly isn't mature enough to make a decision that carries such lasting ramifications. That's why I as a parent shoudl be advocating for him and ensuring that everything done to him is in his best interests.

you do when it's your child.you move heaven and earth for them

I agree but I would not lie to them. Mutilate their body or destroy any normal happy future they could have had. Would you?

Ok pretzels.you make good points...I don't know enough about it to argue back.sorry.im just a mum watching a programme and trying to make sense of it ..as in a parent doing their best for their child..

But what if she wanted to become a cat? would they have implanted whiskers and called her 'Tibbles'? she can no more be a woman than she can be a cat. You can't make the impossible possible, no matter how much you love your children. What they should have done is act in her best interests, wait and see, encourage her to be herself, get counselling to help her accept her body if needed, and explained reality - she can have surgery to become a facsimile of a woman, but she can't be a woman, and she will never have the life of a normal woman. It is never better to lie to your child about reality.

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Eezer
Jazz was allowed to be called a girl from age 6. Don't you think that by letting jazz pretend to be a girl and by encouraging everyone else to pretend jazz was a girl they created the situation whereby jazz couldn't see themselves as a boy any longer?
Jazz wanted long hair and swimming costumes and other girly things. Jazz's parents could have allowed them to be a little boy who wears girly things and has long hair and enforced with love and care the TRUTH that jazz was a boy but that it is fine for boys to like long hair and dolls.
They had a feminine little boy who would probably have grown up to be a gay man. Now they have a sexless, infertile 'girl' who will never have the choice to go back to being a boy and will also never be a fully created 'woman'.
Jazz's identity as a girl has been affirmed by the whole world from such a young age that jazz never had a choice to be accepted and to accept themselves as a boy. Of course jazz thinks of themselves as a girl; just like a child who is taught religion from age 6 will think of themselves as a Christian or whatever. They never had the opportunity to become a healthy, sexually functioning man.

Maybe the spin of the show has sucked you in. This thread has some great links and information about the facts of Jazz's transition not just what the tv shows you. I urge you to have a look then decide if the parents and doctors are doing right by Jazz.

Actually that last comment pretzels,I do agree with...I blame the doctors...

The family though - I haven't watched a full episode but I watched the clip above where jazz comes out of surgery. One of jazz's brothers deliberately and unnecessarily points out that it says M on the medical bracelet. There was no need for this other than for the TV crew to pick up on them all being 'outraged' for jazz.
Not to mention the pretty important point that Jazz was having surgery on their male body and god forbid if there were complications the doctors would need to know jazz was male not female fgs

Schade..I might be wrong ,but I understand that if she stops the hormone blockers she can go through male puberty? I was sure that was in one of the programmes...therefore if she realised she was male she could go back...it's very confusing...and if I'm honest it's not what I would of done as a parent..yeah I would of said what pretzel said ,you are male. But dress as you like...but then I'm not walking in their shoes so I don't know

noble - sorry that isn't her website. It links to her website in the first paragraph though: "There is a private clinic in the UK which prescribes HRT quickly, including to children. You can request blockers or full HRT, even at age 12. They have prescribed full HRT to children in the past! Go to the GenderGP clinic. You do not have to go to them physically, you can do everything over the internet, and they are licensed doctors. If you want prescribed HRT (or just blockers, if that’s what you want, but they also will prescribe full HRT if you want it), then this is your best bet."

She could presumably sue them for libel if any of that is untrue but she hasn't. Make of that what you will

Maybe the spin of the show has sucked you in

It's really easy to get sucked into the spin of the show. I've learned gender criticalness (?) at the feet of FWR but when I've seen the show I have found myself thinking 'maybe this is for the best, maybe she really did know' before recalibrating my bullshit detector and remembering that of course a tiny child did not know what was best for their entire future and sex life and, even if they did, filming it was never going to end well.

Reminds me of a episode of Murder Among Friends ,

This particular case was of a young woman (Mandy I shall name her) and her various dates with males .. Told them she was on her period so did not mind anal sex . Turns out Mandy was a male and was murdered for it (I cried, I must admit watching the reconstruction) by one then two of the duped young men .

Nothing much more to add but I could see why they were angry and upset but did think murder was way OTT

God that makes little sense

One male took it badly indeed and started punching , another joined in and Mandy was beaten to death . I feel sad for her mother , very sad.

Possible I've been sucked in..I don't even see her as trans...she just seems like a young girl to me..and I've been watching ,hoping she gets her dream of a female body..I was sad when the doctors said it was going be difficult..because all along she had been lead to belive it was possible...I still hope it is possible for her..but perhaps the parents and doctors shouldn't of put her on a path that would lead to a proper female body..as that clearly can't happen..I think she does belive she is female,and perhaps the parents shouldn't of gone along with it at age 5... but I've only just thought that having read this thread.i always thought ..apart from the TVs cameras ..that the parents were doing their best.

Icant They don't change their minds because, unlike all their peers, they haven't actually changed. They don't get to go through the maturing process and so won't develop mature critical thinking skills or a world view beyond the one they had aged 11.

Apologies for what is probably a stupid question, but why wouldn't they still grow up? Surely they'd still have life experiences, be learning stuff in school and so on? How much difference does the underlying biology make? I'm thinking of the differing maturity levels of men and women in their late teens/20s - surely that's not biological? So with "trans" children, they are clearly growing up in a confused way, and may make decisions they later regret - but is it biology or socialisation? A lot of us "found" feminism in our 20s or 30s (or later), quite a different outlook to when we were 17.

If that makes any sense...

Puberty affects your brain's development MissMoneyPlant. See here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3410522/

Jazz is a child in a teenager's body. I think that's why they seem so naive