I am Jazz. ***Trans content. Please do not open if you just want to post insults or whinge about another trans thread***

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I am Jazz is a reality show focusing on the journey of a teenage transgirl/woman whos parents supported transition from aged 5 and has been on TV since aged 6.
Now aged 16.

I don't watch the show as I strongly disagree with everything about it. However I briefly saw a clip of the next episode as the tv happened to be on the channel that airs I am Jazz I had been watching say yes to the dress and it was about dating.

Jazz goes to a sort of speed dating event where everyone is sat in the dark. Jazz wants a relationship, which is normal for a teenager however Jazz does not tell the boys/men that they are trans and in fact male.
As they are in darkness Jazz feels that if they get to know each other without the barrier of seeing each other/being trans it may lead to a relationship.

For me this is totally wrong.
Why should it be ok for Jazz or anyone to withold the truth about a very important aspect of who they are?
Plus I would imagine there to be some very upset and angry teenage boys when they find out they have been duped and lied to.

I remember a good few years ago where a man killed his partner after finding out on a TV show that they were trans. There have been a few similar murders over the years.
I am in no way condoning the murder or harm of another person I am just highlighting the danger that can come if you lie about the sex you are and it should not be encouraged as no relationship can survive on lies.

I just wondered what other peoples thoughts are on the subject of lying about your sex to the people you date?

I've noticed too how on the transgender forums, website those in favour of the affirmative approach tend to be those that have transitioned. Their opinions are the ones that are broadcast, yet apparently 80+ percent of ppl with dysphoria go onto to live without problem as their birth sex- yet I haven't seen much in the way of their opinion publicised anywhere. It seems that opinion is just enforced by those who feel they made the right decision, to younger people with dysphoria. Those who change their mind and live as their birth sex or have regret seem to be under represented.

The thing about the people who desist, who don't transition in the end, is that they have turned out to be 'cis' and therefore appear not to matter.

I've definitely had the impression from some things I've read that, to some TRAs, helping all the trans kids to transition is the important thing, and any harm done to people who transition but then wish they hadn't doesn't matter because, by definition, they have turned out to be 'cis'.

I'll also throw into this melting pot something that has annoyed me recently, which is that Paris Lees is repeatedly described as having transitioned "as a teen". Her bio is somewhat shady on the details, but we know that she went to prison when she was 16 and "lived as a woman" after her release before going down the formal transitioning route.

It can't be only me who finds that disingenuous: there is a world of difference between an 18/19 yo deciding to transition and a 13/14 yo making the same decision

Missymoo100
There was a documentary about him on BBC/C4 ages ago I think.

He came across well in my opinion. His views seemed to be 'let's explore the issues in full, explore get serious stereotypes and what is understood to be a boy or a girl. If they end up feeling comfortable in themselves, great. If something is stroll feeling wrong then he will support their transition'.

Some activists compared his work to gay conversion therapy.

God even the terminology with tra is ropey. The use of transitioning is an fallacy - they don't change sex they just take hormone inhibitors and have cosmetic surgery

Some activists compared his work to gay conversion therapy

The irony is strong

Kenneth Zucker was relentlessly persecuted by transactivists. They even targetted his children.

Shon Faye accused him of child abuse on national television. (I believe he is suing). The BBC were very worried that it was slanderous and tried to stop them talking. I read an extremely long investigation into Zucker. And he did nothing wrong.

I've been trying to find a clip on YouTube, but it's not there. I'm wondering if it was taken down because the slanderous nature of things that Faye was saying.

Fortunately gendertrender has preserved it. Link below. The other person in the clip is Ray Blanchard who first came up with a clinical description of the two types of transwomen. He is hated by trans-activists for publishing his studies about autogynephilia.

It's very interesting how Faye does the normal transactivism of quoting suicide statistics (I can't find a single completed suicide), and trashing any opposition by lying.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/?s=Zucker+&submit=Search

It's very interesting how Faye does the normal transactivism of quoting suicide statistics (I can't find a single completed suicide), and trashing any opposition by lying

Even if you could it would not prove the oft quoted statement that "trans children and young people have to me given medical and surgical interventions otherwise they will kill themselves".

That's spot-on Yet because as far as I know the suicide survey did not make any distinction between people who had received treatment and people who hadn't.

And in adults, there is absolutely no correlation between surgery, or the lack of it, and thoughts of suicide.

In fact, the suicide rate spikes 10 years after transition. The theory being that the promised land never comes.

The suicide rate also did not account for comorbid conditions. Studies I have seen compare trans with normal populations, not with populations experiencing other mental health issues. Having said that I do believe that the rate of suicidal ideation (which is what I think is usually measured) is higher amongst gay and lesbian populations as well.

It is higher amongst gay lesbian communities. It's higher amongst almost all minorities. Trans is no different. There was also no follow-up to verify any of the answers to that survey.

But it's amazing they are the one group where everyone knows that statistic. (Despite its lack of foundation).

The suicide 'statistics' that have been quoted by TRA's are wrong anyway. They don't correlate with the existing statistics on all suicides. In fact, it would be impossible. I've seen this explained online somewhere (I can't analyse stats myself so can't explain it any better).
Spreading false information about suicide rates is socially irresponsible, as it can induce suicide contagion.

Thank you for the clip, think Ray Blanchard makes some good points. I would have liked to see the documentary but cant find it anywhere. Its interesting how they shout about suicide rates to anyone who says children should see if they can feel more comfortable as their own biological sex. I would think that If most suicide attempts are after transition then surely that suggests that they are unhappy for some reason with the choice they made to go ahead. That would be more of a reason to try alternative method of treatment before committing to transition. Trans activists are so bias and try to make everything fit the cause even when evidence suggests otherwise.

Missymoo100

The documentary was called 'Transgender kids - who knows best'.

That Newsnight clip was a precursor to it being broadcast. Transactivists launched an immediate and vociferous campaign to get it pulled. Despite not having seen it, they decided it was prejudicial. As it turned out it was fairly well-balanced.

I actually can't find it either, despite it saying something about it on YouTube. All I get is the link below. It might just be my device.

Although there is also a part of me that thinks transactivists have managed to get it buried, somehow.

m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLgnNwi1pWEe1JAvsLHVxYRo8kh-ZaJ8Ev&params=OAFIAVgB&v=Vn3vsVpSb68&mode=NORMAL

YetAnotherSpartacus

This is an article talking about puberty blockers in adolescents. It confirms how most children on puberty blockers go on to cross sex hormones. Therefore the idea that they are reversible is speculative at best, as there have been no studies.

The article itself speculates on why children on puberty blockers persistent with gender dysphoria. As the very act of halting puberty appears to increase the likelihood that they will persist. Loop effect.

It is very shocking the drugs of this kind would normally be trialled, with a control group, studied, etc. But they haven't been, in terms of being used for gender dysphoria.

Basically, it's a big experiment.

www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/growing-pains

It also reiterates that gender dysphoria in children is only ever characterised by liking toys of the opposite sex and other superficial gender stereotypes.

Since referral to clinics of children has gone up by something like 2000%, one can see why this might be.

The dot connecting implication seems to be, many children prefer the gender stereotype of the opposite sex, there are socially transitioned, which confirms to them that being 'born in the wrong body' is an actual thing, the puberty blockers not only stop puberty, but stop any kind of critical thought around it, or a reconciliation with their natal sex, whilst removing a sex drive that might have cleared things up. So going on to cross sex hormones appears logical.

And the results of that have been discussed on this thread in detail.

Nothing I have read gives me confidence that children are not going to end up like Jazz, purely on the basis of liking dolls or trucks when society thinks that's wrong.

And that opinion is just as competent as anyone else's, because there have been no studies.