Trans- kids... so many batshit parents? WTAF?

[Railgunner1]

Stuff that i often see on fb is beyond disturbing.

People are transing toddlers because they put teatowels on their heads...

I sort of understand confused teenagers with MH issues under the influence of youtube, but ADULTS?

Or is this a new trend when you have a child not of the sex you preferred?

No, mums of girls need different kind of washing machines. Mud is nothing comparing to glitter and nail varnish

My dog wees by holding both back legs in the air, and walking forward on her front paws. She's clearly non-binary genderqueer.

I think you'll find that makes her a trans-panda - don't they wee by doing handstands against trees?

My cat thinks he's a dog. He steals bones, chews them and growls

The reason for girls being seen as trans later than boys has a sinister aspect. In surveys, over half of girls who identify as boys during this pubertal period have been victims of sexual abuse.

Someone on another thread saw this quote on tumblr; "Not being heterosexual is self-care." I find that viewpoint very telling.

I think a hell of a lot of the 'trans' stuff among teenage girls is primarily about protecting themselves from the sexually aggressive society they are entering. Cutting their hair short and dressing like geography teachers signposts "I am not like those girls who get choked and spat on in those videos my male peers watch. I'm different and that is nothing to do with who I am." 99% of these girls have no interest in really becoming men, they are just being told that if they don't want to emulate the looks and lifestyle of a Kardashian they can't be real women. Even actresses like Cate Blanchett and Jennifer Aniston are being christened 'non-binary' on tumblr, simply because they don't dress in a hyper feminine way.

BuzzFeed did an article recently about male survivors of sexual abuse and quite a lot of them had been female at the time of the abuse.

And that's the kind of thing that throws off statistics. And statistics go a long way to deciding how needs support and resources.

*who

No child under the age of 18 should be allowed to transition. This includes 'puberty blockers'. The mind has nowhere nearly developed at this age and they are far to young and malleable to undertake something as huge and life-changing as this. The parents that condone it are completely irresponsible imo. Most kids can't even make a firm decision about what job they want in the future or whether they want beans or spaghetti hoops, let alone deciding they are a different gender.

I glad this thread is mainly anti trans for minors. There's so much left wing sjw bullshit out there at the moment, I'd started to lose the will to live!

I find people that are the type to raise their child non binary/trans, are very contradicting.
I mean why do they label their child a different gender if they start to take an interest in a certain genders toys, but then say that there's no such thing as gender in toys and it's fine if boys want to play with dollys???

The other thing that pisses me off, is this whole 'pro-nouns' bollox, how are we meant to know your pro noun? you could just be a butch lesbian for all we know?

Also the whole toilet business, just because you wear a dress does not suddenly give you the right to pee next to my 11 year old daughter!! Try actually looking female first, i.e. Shave your beard!! Otherwise you scare the kids.

I don't think anyone before the age of 18 is wise enough to know how they truly feel.
My best friend refused to wear dresses growing up, all she wanted to wear is football shorts and tops...then when she was 13 she completely changed and went to wearing skirts and makeup, even did beauty therapy at college.

I found this quote in 'Miss Representation' which is on Netflix. I've taken it out of context, but its relevant.

''The average child develops over 18 – 24 years, and full brain development doesn't really occur until you are into your early 20's. So the idea that kids at 8, or 10, or 15 have the same level of intellectual and emotional maturity as an adult is nuts.
They have different interpretative abilities, they have different emotional abilities, and they're a much more vulnerable class in society.''

Jim Steyer, CEO Common Sense Media, Lawyer and professor of Civil Rights Stanford

No one should be transed before they are 21.

I am now going to google weeing pandas...

I have never, ever read a 'my child is trans' article (tabloid, blog post, whatever) that didn't mention toys.

Says it all, really. They say it's not about the toys, but then they say they 'knew' because of the toys.

Dangerous fucking madness.

I really don't get why it is so progressive to divide toys, clothes, hobbies etc into ones for girls and ones for boys. Surely the progressive option is to have toys/clothes/hobbies/sports etc be free of gender bias, and encourage children (and adults) to wear, do and play with the things they enjoy - without having to have a label attached to them because of their choices.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius

Exactly. It's not progressive it's regressive.

Someone asked about ASD and trans. At my kids high school, the kids with ASD either hang out with the Geeky kids or the Goth/Emo/ trans / self harming / ostentatiously mentally ill kids .

First group are seen as odd but harmless and socially accepted. Second group are seem seriously WEIRD and attention seeking .

Which is unfair of course but that's high school.

I notice because I have an ASD kid and wonder where he will find his tribe.

If gender labels attached to objects, behaviours, and perceptions were to be disregarded, much of the newly emerged trans ideology would go poof and TRAs would immediately look like people with dangerous fetishes.

If TRAs have one overriding imperative it is to reinforce gender stereotypes so they are as rigid and confining as possible.

What puzzles me its how it was possible to brainwash so many adults to the levels of complete insanity? All these trans-kids' parents seem like middle class and reasonably educated, not the types that appear on Jeremy Kyle.

@nauticant - yes - that is exactly what I have been thinking - but expressed so much better than I have managed!

Apparently the socio-economic profile of trans parents is white, middle-class, well educated. With an over representation of women out earning their husbands.

The theory being that when they turn to childcare they make it mean more than 'just raising kids' as a means of over valuing it and thereby their role as 'just' a SAHM.

Not sure how that sits with the alternative theory that a lot of trans people suffer sexual or emotional abuse as children though.

Not sure how that sits with the alternative theory that a lot of trans people suffer sexual or emotional abuse as children though.

Alternative? Why does it have to be one OR the other?

I'd assume that the parents transing toddlers is about the parents.

The teen girls transing themselves is more likely to be about sexual abuse, or sexual violence in a broader sense. (And isn't exposing girls to porn, or porn-like music videos already a kind of sexual violence?)

I think a hell of a lot of the 'trans' stuff among teenage girls is primarily about protecting themselves from the sexually aggressive society they are entering. Cutting their hair short and dressing like geography teachers signposts "I am not like those girls who get choked and spat on in those videos my male peers watch. I'm different and that is nothing to do with who I am."

I am not sure. I did wear baggy clothes and no make up as a teen for exactly this reason - but I didn't feel a need to pretend to be male. In fact, I wouldn't have done that even had it been a thing back then. Sharing changing rooms with the boys? Hell no! I was well aware that, while I was making myself as unfuckable as possible, they'd still ogle me if given such an easy opportunity.
(Might have started to identify as non binary and demanded a room separate from other girls AND boys, though. I can easily see how that appeals to girls who reject femininity and might be bullied for not wearing a bra, etc. in the girls' changing room.)

VestalVirgin

Yeah, soon as I pressed post, I realised it could be read as an either/or. Which isn't what I meant. I just meant as a separate theory.

I'm sure girls transition to escape harassment. I certainly think they are not doing it for the same reason as boys/men.

In fact when I've read transwomen talk to one another, almost all of them say it's about sex. About reaching their desired sex pool, (or becoming it). They say it in a sort of come on everyone, we all know why we're really doing this.

Personally I find it rather incredible that someone would go to all that trouble. Nonetheless, it's what a lot of them say.

Some of the comments on the blog Railgunner linked to are so disturbing.

People saying 'well I'm sure you knew what gender you were at that age'.

Kids barely have any concept of even being alive at that age. I once called a child I taught 'sweety pie' and he got scared because he thought he was going to turn into a pie. They have no stable concept of self and that includes gender or sexuality or anything else.

I have no issue with people wanting to live however they feel comfortable once they are at an age to make that choice. But taking tiny children seriously when they talk about being a little girl instead of a little boy, and actually indulging those fantasies until they become a reality, is doing children a great disservice. There's nothing wrong with either sex liking pink, black, dinosaurs, cars, nail polish or 'feeling' like the other gender. But a smart parent will let things play out for themselves instead of putting labels on their child at such a young age.

These people act like they are progressive and they just want to put their children into a box.

This is the transgender issue that most alarms me. How dare these people! The couple on the video do not seem to be highly educated, but why are the professionals around them encouraging this magical thinking that a boy can be changed into a girl? Why is everyone going along with encouraging a child to be believe they can easily change into the other sex?

By the way did anyone hear on the news today that the pharmaceutical companies are complaining because the NHS is not prescribing enough?

Datun
Wow. I was talking to a friend about this a couple of days ago and that was almost exactly what I suggested (it wasn't you was it? )

I have thought for a while that this desperate push to find 'difference' and to make parenting a career is one of the reasons behind the trans surge and also the desperate search for SN in children.

I don't mean that kids with SN don't exist or that it is easy to get a diagnosis, I mean the self reported, self diagnosed stuff. Its all very similar to the trans issue. Claim it, write about it (a lot) and build up followers who add to the mythology until there is so much 'proof' your child is trans/has a disability/is a genius that you don't need a diagnosis (actually, you don't even need a child if it all done on-line)