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Trans- kids... so many batshit parents? WTAF?

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Railgunner1 · 27/04/2017 06:58

Stuff that i often see on fb is beyond disturbing.

People are transing toddlers because they put teatowels on their heads...

I sort of understand confused teenagers with MH issues under the influence of youtube, but ADULTS?

Or is this a new trend when you have a child not of the sex you preferred?

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WhereYouLeftIt · 27/04/2017 14:48

A couple of thoughts:
Where are the rates of Munchausen's By Proxy going? The reason I ask is, I remember seeing somewhere that as the rates of teenagers being diagnosed as transgender rises, the rates of teenager being diagnosed with anorexia is falling. (Will look for reputable source for that.) I wonder if MBP is doing the same, as attention-seeking parents decide to trans their child rather than hospitalise them.

And

"I wonder at what point the percentage of boys being transed in earlier childhood will so outweigh the girls that people start wringing their hands over it. "
Are more boys transing than girls? Radio 4's Women's Hour had a piece on the Tavistock Clinic ("the country's only gender identity clinic for under-18s") last year, and their figures were running the other way around. Just re-listened, as at time of the recording (April 2016) users of the clinic were up from 697 in the previous year to 1,398; almost 1,000 were female; and that it is the fifth consecutive year that females were 'overrepresented'. Of course that could be teenagers rather than younger children.

WindwardCircle · 27/04/2017 14:56

Parents of transgender children diagnosed their male children earlier: between the ages of 3-5 for males and females between 9-14.
“All” male children in the study were diagnosed as transgender by their parents before the age of five and “most” before the age of three.
“Most” female children were identified by their parents as transgender after the onset of puberty.
The above is from one of the links upthread which is about a study of the parents of trans children.

reallyanotherone · 27/04/2017 15:02

Windward- haven't read the link but i find the language used in that excerpt very interesting.

"Parents diagnosed", "identified by their parents"- so are we saying it's the parents saying their child is transgender and seeking "treatment", and not the child?

Since when are parents medically/psychologically qualified to diagnose?

nauticant · 27/04/2017 15:39

One could wonder whether parents of "feminine" boys are keener to have them declared as identifying trans than parents of "masculine" girls. And also whether it is "masculine" girls who make the declaration themselves rather than their parents.

But it's hard to tell. What isn't hard to tell is that there needs to be some proper study in this area but who would provide the funding and who would risk professional suicide by tackling this objectively and scientifically?

DearMrDilkington · 27/04/2017 15:49

It's all getting out of hand now. That blog about the child in the bath was incredibly disturbing.

The mother doesn't sound mentally well. I wonder what will happen when the child gets older and tells his mother his a boy, not a girl. That's if she hasn't completely brainwashed him, sadly it's unlikely anyone will step in for fear of being "transphobic".

FeralBeryl · 27/04/2017 15:53

A dear friend of mine thinks that it's all a patriarchal plot to rid the world of butch lesbians. (Her included!)
She'd obviously be prime candidate for transing Hmm

The blog post is upsetting to read, my 5 year old is away with the fairies, there is no way she fits into any category for anything yet.

JigglyTuff · 27/04/2017 15:58

Well the blog is disturbing but so is the number of people validating the mother's behaviour. But if you read the transcript of the judgement of that child last year whose mother was determined to trans him, she was doing exactly the same things. And if you've ever heard an interview with the mum of the child in 'I am Leo', she is exactly the same. It's all 'oh we knew Leo was trans from a really young age because he didn't like playing with dolls ...'. I suspect a lot of that is making history fit the narrative

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Railgunner1 · 27/04/2017 16:03

Well, lesbians are already vilified for not sleeping with penises. But now het men are getting that too -- for not wanting to sleep with penises.
Its called "cotton ceiling" and "vagina fetish".

I wonder how much of it is a direct influence of porn. Lesbians are a fetish for quite a lot of men.

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GoldStars3 · 27/04/2017 16:23

I suspect a lot of that is making history fit the narrative

I think that every time I hear about another little boy who used to wear a tea towel on his head. Always a tea towel. Parent never just told the kid he can keep his hair long if he likes Confused. The tea towel has become a staple in the "persistent, consistent, insistent" story of how they always just knew....

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Railgunner1 · 27/04/2017 16:32

FFS its not even wanting long hair. Its a fecking teatowel! Toddlers happily put saucepans and flowerpots on their heads Confused

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nauticant · 27/04/2017 16:44

When I was at school teatowel headgear was normally a sign of the shepherds in the nativity play.

BasketOfDeplorables · 27/04/2017 16:47

I remember thinking that I wanted to be just like my mum when I was a little kid. She spent more time with me than anyone else by a long way, and was my main role model. Most children are looked after predominantly by women - either their mothers or female nursery staff/childminders etc. Surely most boy children go through a time when they want to grow up to be mum, before they understand how it all works.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 27/04/2017 16:48

Why can't we just let children choose what they enjoy, what they play with, what they wear, what colours, hobbies, sports etc that they like, without having to use those preferences to jam them into a stereotype?

Surely it is more healthy to move away from 'boys' toys' and 'girls' toys' - so instead of some people thinking "my child, Mike, is playing with a kitchen or a doll so is clearly Michelle", to "my child Mike is playing with a toy - and enjoying themself, and that is all that matters"?

CoolJazz · 27/04/2017 17:02

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SirVixofVixHall · 27/04/2017 17:43

My dog wees by holding both back legs in the air, and walking forward on her front paws. She's clearly non-binary genderqueer.

WombOfOnesOwn · 27/04/2017 17:45

The reason for girls being seen as trans later than boys has a sinister aspect. In surveys, over half of girls who identify as boys during this pubertal period have been victims of sexual abuse.

Over half! And the solution being offered if you're a 10 year old who is being sexually abused by a pedophile and want a way out ... puberty blockers.

What a world.

SisterMoonshine · 27/04/2017 17:46

Now I look back at my 70s childhood, wearing the same flares and white dunlops as the boys, skateboarding and water pistols, while Adam Ant, David Bowie etc were all wearing make up and it seems we've come so far the wrong way re gender roles and Disney princesses etc
I can't believe it's happened really Sad

CharlieSierra · 27/04/2017 17:46

I don't think it will be cause for handwringing anytime soon, as there's enough (pre)teen girls getting permanently sterilized that it's still a win for patriarchy

That's it! It's a cunning plot to sterilise a generation and reduce the rate of population growth. The ones that aren't sterile won't know who to have sex with to make babies. Nobody will know which is which.

Amyaa · 27/04/2017 18:01

Why can't these people let kids be kids?? It's outrageous. So what if a boy wants to wear a princess dress? They don't know or care if they're "meant for girls"

SirVixofVixHall · 27/04/2017 18:20

Me too SisterMoonshine. Sad

BasketOfDeplorables · 27/04/2017 18:20

I don't think my 18 month old even has 'preferences' in terms of toys. She goes through phases with them as she learns a new skill, but there isn't a type of toy she favours. I'm sceptical that most babies have preferences, let alone preferences that represent stereotypical sex roles.

TheFirstMrsDV · 27/04/2017 18:25

whereyouleft I came on here to post about my thoughts on this issue and its connection to Induced and Fabricated Illness (its not Munchausens by proxy anymore because that label doesn't put enough emphasis on the abusive aspect of the 'condition' )

Transgender is a gift to someone with I&FI leanings. In young children it seems to depend entirely on parental reporting.

Floggingmolly · 27/04/2017 18:29

Why the heck are diggers male, but penises aren't?
The single sentence sums up the entire ridiculous circus that this trans nonsense has become Hmm
Can't square a little girl liking dinosaurs, trains or anything science based. But a little girl with a penis is not a freak of nature (or, you know; a boy...) - she's got a female penis.
Is it a sort of mass hysteria? A kind of collective mental illness? Hmm

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Railgunner1 · 27/04/2017 18:32

I wanted to be a boy when i was little. But not particularly that i wanted to be male, but i wanted to be some character depending on what film/cartoon/story i liked at the time. Thank God that my parents had sense to play along and buy me a gun or a sword, and when to put their foot down and say 'playtime over, time to act like a human being'

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reallyanotherone · 27/04/2017 18:36

I have noticed an increased incidence of genderising animals ....

You only need to go to pets at home to see there's practically "girls" and "boys" aisles- pink collars, litter trays, jackets and clothes, pink balls, baskets, while for boys it's leather and studs and blue/dark colours.

You even get pink and blue fishtanks.

And funnily enough people are staring to come out with crap like "boy cats are more cuddly", "girl dogs are bossy"

It's fucking pervasive.

I've just watched the latest currys ad about washing machines where they challenge a mum- of course a mum who lives in a house full of "active, filthy boys" who want to play in the park and climb on trees. While those of us with girls don't need such tough washing machines, obv.