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Fun fact: no law covering which toilet men or women can use!

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Iris65 · 10/03/2017 16:49

I know....isn't it?

All those threads getting so upset about ......trans people being able to do what everyone can already do!

So what is it that is exercising so many of the most prolific and vocal posters in this hot topic?

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pincha · 11/03/2017 05:27

Do you want to understand, celery? Or do you just want to tell women they're wrong to feel threatened by obviously male bodied people in small, enclosed, isolated environments.

It's interesting that you accept that "cis" men are more threatening than trans women, because the whole point is that we can't tell the difference between transwomen and "cis" men who have dressed up as women to access their toilets. If self identification becomes law it will be illegal to confront those men and ask them to leave.

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Iris65 · 11/03/2017 06:33

With respect to being called a bully myself:

I have not tried to exclude anyone from a thread by asking others to ignore them
I have not called anyone names.
I have not insulted anyone.
I have not denigrated or tried to harm someone's reputation.

I asked a question in a tone of levity and implying some humour -at no one's expense.

If you take the time to read the other thread(s) and my posts you will see that they were primarily factual. Those that weren't were courteous and 'light in tone' and none of them were abusive.

I wish that the replies met that standard.

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ChocChocPorridge · 11/03/2017 07:24

To be fair, if you head onto a forum about a subject, then post an OP which is belittling and dismissive of the opinions of many of the posters on that board, you should expect some robust responses back.

Especially given a history of doing the same across other threads, and the lack of reasoned argument and engagement in your rare responses.

celeryeater · 11/03/2017 07:26

If you gave me good reasons, then I guess I would understand? But that isn't happening so I don't. I think on these types of threads you all whip each other up into a frenzy about not much at all. Have you got any links to cases where men have pretended to be trans to get in a private place and assault someone? I think if a man was that keen to get in the loos and assault someone they would just walk in and do it, you don't need to put a dress on! What are the statistics for people getting assaulted and raped by trans women, I would hazard a guess it would be very very low. Far more likely to be beaten and raped by your boyfriends /husbands

Scissorcisters · 11/03/2017 07:54

Bigger stronger more violent humans tend to have a penis. They statistically are a threat to smaller weaker less violent humans.

Blame the one's born with a penis for that. People with vulvas and wombs need refuges to escape from being beaten to death. Bigger stronger more violent humans really frighten us and we are triggered if we see them in our safe spaces. 1 in 5 of us has been sexually assaulted or raped. We have valid concerns.

This is not about pissing but you know that. If bigger stronger more violent humans can stop their violence towards us we won't need safe places. Then dicks in trousers or dresses will be welcome everywhere.

This is not about trans people. This is about bigger stronger more violent humans, hitting us, raping us, killing us. You know that too, but YOU don't care.

Trans men are not a problem to us this is about male pattern violence and Trans women like men are bigger stronger more violent humans who beat us, rape us and kill us.

There is no valid argument to let bigger stronger more violent XYs in our safe spaces whether they wear pants or knickers. You know that deep down.

You are not very nice. People reading this are not idiots, they realise this too. Carry on, as you're bringing more and more of us over to the side of logic. Three weeks ago I had no idea what was going on. Thanks to people like you I do now.

Scissorcisters · 11/03/2017 07:56

Yes there are loads of links of men and trans women committing crimes in our safe spaces and everywhere else. I'm not providing them read the relevant threads on here and you'll see them and may educate yourself also in the process.

Scissorcisters · 11/03/2017 07:59

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Scissorcisters · 11/03/2017 08:12

My husband and sons are not offended that women are frightened of men. They are lovely but understand the statistics of violence against women.

I wish all men and trans women who are bigger stronger more violent humans statistically felt like that too.

1 in 5 of us is raped or sexually assaulted. So no not about pissing or dresses, it's about fear of violence. I do not want to be pinned up against a wall by a bigger stronger more violent human with their hands around my throat being not able to breathe ever again. I will do what I can to ensure women have places they feel safe in.

2 trans women this week reported in UK papers about rape with their penis's.

celeryeater · 11/03/2017 08:23

I've never been attacked by a boyfriend or my husband. I've got good taste in men.

Surely this is offensive to people who have been beaten by partners?
I'm not "being not very nice" I just have a different opinion to you. That's allowed.

Scissorcisters · 11/03/2017 08:31

Celeryeater No I never freaked out until I was a victim of male violence. I've never been out on my own in the dark ever again. Men do freak me out now yes they do.

It's a shame I had to experience that to understand why womens safety is important. But I do understand.

I really could not give a flying fuck what the person that did that to me identified as, or was wearing. I was too physically weak to stop them strangling me and sexually assaulting me. That's what mattered. I was saved by someone interrupting the attack or I might be dead now.

Guess it's just frivolous of me to be defending womens safe spaces though.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 11/03/2017 08:34

I've never been attacked by a boyfriend or my husband. I've got good taste in men

How clever of you. I hope you're not thinking of counselling victims of domestic violence on their poor taste.

Scissorcisters · 11/03/2017 08:35

Why is it offensive when someone said most women are at risk from violence from boyfriends and husbands to point out some strangers attack women too.

Are you really trying to score points against a victim of violence. That there is fucking offensive you insensitive human being.

celeryeater · 11/03/2017 08:41

Scissors, that sounds horrific and I'm really sorry that happened to you. I hope you are recovering now physically as well as mentally. I can understand how you would feel threatened by men, but is a public toilet or changing room really a safe space? Surely if you are going to leave the house at all you must have to brace yourself to encounter men, sometimes alone? I'm also going to guess it wasn't a trans woman that attacked you.
all the talk of penises, does that mean you're fine with post op trans in the loos?

Scissorcisters · 11/03/2017 08:41

It's not a crime to have good taste in men. After a violent attack you tend to get to know them before getting into an intimate relationship. Takes time though to trust men again but I'm a strong woman

It is a crime to be violent against women thigh #bullymuch

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 11/03/2017 08:42

Why is it offensive when someone said most women are at risk from violence from boyfriends and husbands to point out some strangers attack women too

The offensive part was your stating you had never experienced violence from men you know because you "have good taste in men"

Do you really not see how offensive that is to women who have beaten beaten or bullied by partners?

Scissorcisters · 11/03/2017 08:42

Thanks for your posts though people will see them for what they are.

HiDBandSIL · 11/03/2017 08:43

I've reported this. Anyone who posts all over the boards with goady crap is a troll.

You're obviously cross that people disagree with you OP but you're not helping your cause here.

Scissorcisters · 11/03/2017 08:45

I think most people would be offended by a women being strangled ,not by a very common saying. Bring it on though, bullying a victim of violence right here right now.

MinimumPaymentMaximumBurrito · 11/03/2017 08:47

I've never been attacked by a boyfriend or my husband. I've got good taste in men.

This is in direct contravention of MN support of DV sufferers.

NO VICTIM BLAMING. SHUT IT DOWN.

Scissorcisters · 11/03/2017 08:47

I think the posts should stay. I think they speak for themselves and people need to know about the tactics.

MinimumPaymentMaximumBurrito · 11/03/2017 08:47

No victim blaming.

Shut it down.

MinimumPaymentMaximumBurrito · 11/03/2017 08:47

No victim blaming.

Shut it down.

MinimumPaymentMaximumBurrito · 11/03/2017 08:47

No victim blaming.

Shut it down.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 11/03/2017 08:47

Thanks for your posts though people will see them for what they are

If that is addressed to me I assume you are still failing to see how crass your remarks about not experiencing domestic violence because you have good taste in men are.